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Old 14-10-2014, 00:25   #136
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Re: Skipper's Duty Towards Refugees

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These are not refugees, this are simply desperate illegal immigrants trying their luck moving to the rich Europe, like many Mexicans do with the US.
A sweeping statement like that, involving a boat you didn't see with people you've never met tells me exactly how much credit to give your post.

Speaking as an American, in a land of illegal immigrants, people are, without equal, the most powerful raw material any nation has.

Therefore, every time a Mexican crosses the border, we get stronger.
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A sweeping statement like that, involving a boat you didn't see with people you've never met tells me exactly how much credit to give your post.

Speaking as an American, in a land of illegal immigrants, people are, without equal, the most powerful raw material any nation has.

Therefore, every time a Mexican crosses the border, we get stronger.
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Given the description given in the first post "His estimate was that the boat was approximately 10 meters and crowded with upwards of 50 refugees" I have no doubt of what boat this is, they are in the news every single day in European Countries facing the Med.

To your other comment, that might have been true decades if not centuries ago, nowadays it's the skilled immigration that brings power to nations, not poor immigrants whose only mean of survival is crime
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A sweeping statement like that, involving a boat you didn't see with people you've never met tells me exactly how much credit to give your post.

Speaking as an American, in a land of illegal immigrants, people are, without equal, the most powerful raw material any nation has.

Therefore, every time a Mexican crosses the border, we get stronger.
Thank you for your responsible response. It was an appallingly sweeping statement.

Asylum statistics - Statistics Explained

In 2013, 450 000 of these 'illegal immigrants' (sic) were found to be Genuine refugees and therefor by definition NOT illegal. The statement was not only 'sweeping' it had an undertone of racist argument in it akin to 'I'm not racist but'!
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Given the description given in the first post "His estimate was that the boat was approximately 10 meters and crowded with upwards of 50 refugees" I have no doubt of what boat this is, they are in the news every single day in European Countries facing the Med.

To your other comment, that might have been true decades if not centuries ago, nowadays it's the skilled immigration that brings power to nations, not poor immigrants whose only mean of survival is crime
what a rediculous assertion. you really should read up on some of this stuff before posting claims like this.
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OK I'm a day late and a dollar short , however...
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Hmm... while I'm sure RC can answer for himself, let me make a couple of comments.

RC claimed that it is not illegal for refugees to arrive in such a fashion. I tend to agree with him but I'm no legal eagle.
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My #2 pup has been involved in the 'stopping the boat people' stuff... think they have given him the 'border protection' gong....
He doesn't talk about it much but he says they aren't 'illegal immigrants' but simply undocumented arrivals...
Seems most of the 'illegals' in Oz are poms on expired visas.
But lets face it... in Oz 'stop the boats!' is up there with 'free beer for all' at election time...
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How the heck did this become a debate on illegal immigration? The premise is that there is a possibly overloaded boat at sea. As I posted a few pages back from Tribe Members, we are all immigrants!

Many of us descend from refugees of various atrocities. Not radioing may border on illegal, but I am sure St. Peter would advocate on my behalf.

If thier boat was sinking, AND I could take them on board, I would rather take my chances of meeting my Maker at thier hands, versus living with myself knowning my inaction resulted in thier deaths.

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How the heck did this become a debate on illegal immigration? The premise is that there is a possibly overloaded boat at sea. As I posted a few pages back from Tribe Members, we are all immigrants!

Many of us descend from refugees of various atrocities. Not radioing may border on illegal, but I am sure St. Peter would advocate on my behalf.

If thier boat was sinking, AND I could take them on board, I would rather take my chances of meeting my Maker at thier hands, versus living with myself knowning my inaction resulted in thier deaths.

Just a different perspective.
I'm with you. on the picking them up.

I'd also radio it in for assistance as they are dangerously overloaded, a disaster waiting to happen. However, I don't believe it is 'illegal' not to radio it in. Irresponsible maybe, but not illegal.
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How the heck did this become a debate on illegal immigration? .
I think its called thread drift.. now if it was a boat load of turtles with guns off the Australian coast.

How would you respond to the original situation?
For my money no differently to a similar situation any where in the world.
Look to the South China Sea and Gulf of Thailand in the 70's if you want some case studies......
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I think its called thread drift.. now if it was a boat load of turtles with guns off the Australian coast.
Im really disappointed that the Tortoises are being ignored.
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Clearly not a member of the Turtle Club then...
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What type of anchor do they have?


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What type of anchor do they have?
Tortoises dont have anchors.
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If the boat was capable of taking him over and he estimated it was going to make the coast then it was clearly not in distress, therefore no call is warranted. As far as illegal activity... it could have been a wedding party that went terribly wrong.

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Thank you for your responsible response. It was an appallingly sweeping statement.

Asylum statistics - Statistics Explained

In 2013, 450 000 of these 'illegal immigrants' (sic) were found to be Genuine refugees and therefor by definition NOT illegal. The statement was not only 'sweeping' it had an undertone of racist argument in it akin to 'I'm not racist but'!
@Rustic Charm, please read the articles you post before making incorrect statements.

The article you posted states that out of 450,000 refugees asking for asylum only 131,000 (~30%) are eventually granted it or let stay legally in Europe. The first number accounts for the people asking for it, which is a good proxy for the number of arrested illegal immigrants.

The remaining 319,000 illegal immigrants, cost lots of money to the European government and have a high probability of escaping custody, becoming criminals and increasing the burden to society.

I'm not racist (def:a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another), but I deeply hate criminals and I'll do everything I can to keep them as far as possible from me and my family
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