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Old 25-12-2008, 07:50   #16
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So how does this work?

If my permanent residence is in NJ and my vessel is registered in NJ, and I decide to cruise the chesapeake bay for 90 days or more I may have to pay an excise tax?

How is it assesed? who monitors, if you're on the move?

I can see this, if you're tied up to a dock for 3 months or more using the boat as a condo.....how would they track someone who moves every week?

curious.
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So how does this work?

If my permanent residence is in NJ and my vessel is registered in NJ, and I decide to cruise the chesapeake bay for 90 days or more I may have to pay an excise tax?

How is it assesed? who monitors, if you're on the move?

I can see this, if you're tied up to a dock for 3 months or more using the boat as a condo.....how would they track someone who moves every week?

curious.

Everyone goes into some kind of database now days. If you are moving around and stay on the hook it is much more difficult for them to keep track of you but not impossible. Does not matter where your residence is or registration. Once "they" determine or even believe you have been in the state for the period of time you will receive a tax bill or will be subject to a fine for not paying their fee and you might receive a citation for not paying. Then it is up to you to prove otherwise and not them. No one said it is fair but as I said before states are getting desperate for any income.
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Old 25-12-2008, 08:53   #18
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Having experienced this same phenomenon after taking delivery of my new boat in Fort Lauderdale I received a tax bill equal to about 6% of the boat's purchase price after staying 91 days. Shortly thereafter I moved to Puerto Rico which was my plan in the first place. I always wondered what people in Florida do. Do you receive a use tax year after year or is it a one time tax? In my case, I received the bill for several months and it finally went away. If you are not a resident of Florida what kind of "teeth" do the tax collectors have to collect said fees. Do they confiscate your boat? It all seems rather random to me.
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AND... I just paid next year's registration to Florida for my 40 footer. The fee DOUBLED, yes DOUBLED to $130! DOUBLED! I thought I was informed, but it DOUBLED!
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The answer simply is Yes

Chances are they will not catch you. You must also realize that the time is 90 days....it isn't consecutive days...it is 90 day total for the year.
To keep scofflaws from staying 85 days then crossing into VA or Delaware and coming back.


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So how does this work?

If my permanent residence is in NJ and my vessel is registered in NJ, and I decide to cruise the chesapeake bay for 90 days or more I may have to pay an excise tax?

How is it assesed? who monitors, if you're on the move?

I can see this, if you're tied up to a dock for 3 months or more using the boat as a condo.....how would they track someone who moves every week?

curious.
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Having experienced this same phenomenon after taking delivery of my new boat in Fort Lauderdale I received a tax bill equal to about 6% of the boat's purchase price after staying 91 days. Shortly thereafter I moved to Puerto Rico which was my plan in the first place. I always wondered what people in Florida do. Do you receive a use tax year after year or is it a one time tax? In my case, I received the bill for several months and it finally went away. If you are not a resident of Florida what kind of "teeth" do the tax collectors have to collect said fees. Do they confiscate your boat? It all seems rather random to me.
Depends on how aggressive they are. It usually shows up when you try to sell the boat and find it has a lien placed against it the you did not know about. In the more extreme your vessel can be arrested and all moneys owed including legal fess, etc must be paid before it is returned to you. I have not heard of the latter happening but be aware it is a possibility. I would also be wary of taking it back into Floriduh to test what they can do.
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I was the Chief on a yacht

that was purchased in Fort Liquordale.....we were there for 6 months doing refit work etc.......at the time, any boat that was in a yard was not liabe for the tax....but...the day before we were to leave the owner got a ginormous bill.......we had to prove that the vessel was being worked on....fortunately (this time) the anal retentive owner had every receipt etc. The Tax Bill IIRC was around $60,000

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Having experienced this same phenomenon after taking delivery of my new boat in Fort Lauderdale I received a tax bill equal to about 6% of the boat's purchase price after staying 91 days. Shortly thereafter I moved to Puerto Rico which was my plan in the first place. I always wondered what people in Florida do. Do you receive a use tax year after year or is it a one time tax? In my case, I received the bill for several months and it finally went away. If you are not a resident of Florida what kind of "teeth" do the tax collectors have to collect said fees. Do they confiscate your boat? It all seems rather random to me.
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Anyone know what the excise tax is Maryland or elsewhere is? $$
What kind of money are we talking about?
Based on Value? Size? Duration? combo of above?

Chief...$60,000...How big was that Yacht?...
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Maryland is 5% of the purchase price or fair market value if they don't believe your purchase price. All other states are some percentage of these and vary by state. Virginia and South Carolina also impose an annual personal property tax which is what South Carolina is going after right now. The excise "fee" is a one time thing, the property tax is annual. Be aware the marinas in Virginia are required to report boats being there longer than the allowed time period.
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Thanks Chuck,

5 %...wow! That's alot of beer...
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We have heard that this permit will extend the Florida 90 day limit - SOJOURNERS PERMIT. Not sure, but it is discussed on CRUISERSNET.NET in detail. We have downloaded the forms.
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that was purchased in Fort Liquordale.....we were there for 6 months doing refit work etc.......at the time, any boat that was in a yard was not liabe for the tax....but...the day before we were to leave the owner got a ginormous bill.......we had to prove that the vessel was being worked on....fortunately (this time) the anal retentive owner had every receipt etc. The Tax Bill IIRC was around $60,000
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Anyone know what the excise tax is Maryland or elsewhere is? $$
What kind of money are we talking about?
Based on Value? Size? Duration? combo of above?

Chief...$60,000...How big was that Yacht?...
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We have heard that this permit will extend the Florida 90 day limit - SOJOURNERS PERMIT. Not sure, but it is discussed on CRUISERSNET.NET in detail. We have downloaded the forms.

Thanks for that info that is great. I hope to use it when I get to Florida some day. It would be very interesting to find out what the time limit is? Does anyone have an idea?
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Google Forida Boat Tax...there are a couple site which give the breakdown and various ways that it can avoided.....i.e. yacht in yard for repairs etc.

Also who is liable.....who isn't.

Y'know in these times they are probably going to get a tad more aggressive in getting their pound of flesh
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When I first came to Florida in 03. The water sheriff told me I had to go offshore within 90 days to keep from having to register my Ca. boat as a Florida boat. I asked him how I could prove I had done that. He answered how can we prove you haven't? I guess it is a matter of asking the marina for paperwork, and checking the bridges if they keep records?

I tranfered my title here in Fl. from Ca. when I went back to work, and stopped cruising. It was a matter of title transfer, and registration fee only. This was in the past 8 months. I think a total of about $150?
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