Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 02-01-2014, 04:30   #16
Bailing as fast as I can.
 
GILow's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Boat: Swanson 42
Posts: 3,585
Re: Enough cooling water?

Quote:
Originally Posted by El Pinguino View Post
'That doesn't sound quite right..'
'No its OK'
'OK, whatever...'
BANG!!!

Mention it to the skipper.... what happens after that isn't your concern.
I will do, if people think the flow rate I describe is too low.

As it is, the owner did not get to hear me the first time as I was stomped on by the crew member. But hey, the crew member could be completely right, she has sailed on the boat more than I have.

Matt
__________________

__________________
GILow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2014, 04:40   #17
Registered User
 
El Pinguino's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Punta Arenas ahorra
Boat: 39' Westerly Sealord
Posts: 3,952
Re: Enough cooling water?

Flow rate? Dunno... mine belches and pharts ... blows steam.... soot .. and assorted smoke at start up... makes a hell of a racket....

But I would appreciate it if someone said ' not as noisy as usual there Pingo..... is everything OK ??'
__________________

El Pinguino is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2014, 04:41   #18
Senior Cruiser
 
Blue Stocking's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: St. Georges, Bda
Boat: Rhodes Reliant 41ft
Posts: 4,114
Re: Enough cooling water?

Did you choose the crew, or did the "skipper" ? 'nuff said. When are you goin' back.
__________________
so many projects--so little time !!
Blue Stocking is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2014, 05:34   #19
Senior Cruiser
 
StuM's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Port Moresby,Papua New Guinea
Boat: FP Belize Maestro 43
Posts: 6,712
Re: Enough cooling water?

> what do we think is NORMAL flow for a small raw water cooled diesel

Whatever keeps the engine at it's operating temperature - which can be easily checked by pointing an IR thermometer at various points on it.

They are so cheap these days that they should be in everyone's toolkit. Here's one from SupercheapAutos:

SCA Infrared Thermometer - Supercheap Auto Australia

Even cheaper if you buy one on EBay.
__________________
StuM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2014, 06:00   #20
Don't ask if you can't handle it
 
sailorboy1's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: On the boat somewhere
Boat: Hunter 410
Posts: 12,311
Re: Enough cooling water?

Quote:
Originally Posted by GILow View Post
I would have been more confident in the knowledge of that particular crew member if she did not refer to the lines as ropes, talked about left and right instead of port and starboard, ........
You wouldn't be able to stand sailing with me. On my boat we call things whatever we what as long as everyone can understand the meaning. Sometimes that means while pointing at something you hear "pull on the thingie".

I wouldn't have a problem with anyone asking if something was "normal" on my boat as much as someone who wanted to be all salty by calling things by their "real" name and "correcting" me each time.
__________________
jobless, houseless, clueless, living on a boat and cruising around somewhere
sailorboy1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2014, 12:47   #21
Senior Cruiser
 
SkiprJohn's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2006
Location: Kea'au, Big Island, Hawaii
Boat: Cascade, Sloop, 42 - "Casual"
Posts: 14,192
Re: Enough cooling water?

If you know the owner separate from sailing on her boat I'd call her and let her know you are concerned. If its a gender thing then ask the wife to call. I wouldn't just ignore it because engine repair is not a cheap thing for someone who doesn't do it themselves. Just by your description it doesn't sound like there is enough circulating water.
__________________
John
SkiprJohn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2014, 12:55   #22
Senior Cruiser
 
SkiprJohn's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2006
Location: Kea'au, Big Island, Hawaii
Boat: Cascade, Sloop, 42 - "Casual"
Posts: 14,192
Re: Enough cooling water?

Quote:
Originally Posted by sailorboy1 View Post
You wouldn't be able to stand sailing with me. On my boat we call things whatever we what as long as everyone can understand the meaning. Sometimes that means while pointing at something you hear "pull on the thingie".

I wouldn't have a problem with anyone asking if something was "normal" on my boat as much as someone who wanted to be all salty by calling things by their "real" name and "correcting" me each time.
Aloha Sailorboy,

Your system for nautical language is ok as long as you only sail with the same crewmembers all the time. If you have a sailor aboard who knows nautical language and doesn't know one "thingie" from another you'll have to do a lot of clarification to bring them down to your standards.
__________________
John
SkiprJohn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2014, 13:02   #23
Bailing as fast as I can.
 
GILow's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Boat: Swanson 42
Posts: 3,585
Re: Enough cooling water?

Quote:
Originally Posted by sailorboy1 View Post
You wouldn't be able to stand sailing with me. On my boat we call things whatever we what as long as everyone can understand the meaning. Sometimes that means while pointing at something you hear "pull on the thingie".

I wouldn't have a problem with anyone asking if something was "normal" on my boat as much as someone who wanted to be all salty by calling things by their "real" name and "correcting" me each time.
I am not some kind of snob about this but to my mind marine terminology is there to avoid ambiguity when time is tight. I feel much more comfortable with a skipper or crew member who uses the correct terms and I love the ones who can teach me a few more.

Matt
__________________
GILow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2014, 13:06   #24
Bailing as fast as I can.
 
GILow's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Boat: Swanson 42
Posts: 3,585
Re: Enough cooling water?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Stocking View Post
Did you choose the crew, or did the "skipper" ? 'nuff said. When are you goin' back.
Owner chose the crew and good for her. Not my place to tell her who to sail with and if she invites us again I would happily say yes, but not if she also has the regular crew. The owner made us feel most welcome but the crew made us feel like dirt. Even my wife felt this way which is most unusual for her.

Matt
__________________
GILow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2014, 13:11   #25
Bailing as fast as I can.
 
GILow's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Boat: Swanson 42
Posts: 3,585
Re: Enough cooling water?

Quote:
Originally Posted by SkiprJohn View Post
If you know the owner separate from sailing on her boat I'd call her and let her know you are concerned. If its a gender thing then ask the wife to call. I wouldn't just ignore it because engine repair is not a cheap thing for someone who doesn't do it themselves. Just by your description it doesn't sound like there is enough circulating water.
I have slept on it and woke up feeling confident it was just not enough water too.

The owner did not express what I saw as anti male sentiment so I feel I can tell her about my concerns. And my wife thinks I am wrong about the anti male thing. She thinks it was anti "foreigner", as she felt the hostility towards herself as well.

Matt
__________________
GILow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2014, 13:15   #26
Bailing as fast as I can.
 
GILow's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Boat: Swanson 42
Posts: 3,585
Re: Enough cooling water?

On the plus side I did achieve one thing on the boat. I spotted a broken sail batten that was chewing its way through the batten pocket and brought that to the owners attention before it could do too much more damage.

Now I have to decide whether to mention the fact that the steering feels like something is about to come adrift. Heaps of play where there shouldn't be and a big dead spot when swinging the wheel from port to starboard.

I think I should stick to my own boat.....
__________________
GILow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2014, 16:28   #27
Don't ask if you can't handle it
 
sailorboy1's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: On the boat somewhere
Boat: Hunter 410
Posts: 12,311
Re: Enough cooling water?

Quote:
Originally Posted by SkiprJohn View Post
Aloha Sailorboy,

Your system for nautical language is ok as long as you only sail with the same crewmembers all the time. If you have a sailor aboard who knows nautical language and doesn't know one "thingie" from another you'll have to do a lot of clarification to bring them down to your standards.

I'm flexible and when needed can modify my language to "the thingie on your right"




We call thingies most by their "correct" name, but aren't the boat language police about it. BTW - both my wife and myself are ex-Navy, maybe pleasure sailboaters need to lighten up
__________________
jobless, houseless, clueless, living on a boat and cruising around somewhere
sailorboy1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2014, 18:05   #28
Moderator Emeritus
 
Coops's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Northern NSW.Australia
Boat: Sunmaid 20, John Welsford Navigator
Posts: 9,550
Re: Enough cooling water?

Quote:
Originally Posted by GILow View Post
I have slept on it and woke up feeling confident it was just not enough water too.

The owner did not express what I saw as anti male sentiment so I feel I can tell her about my concerns. And my wife thinks I am wrong about the anti male thing. She thinks it was anti "foreigner", as she felt the hostility towards herself as well.

Matt
The other side to this is, if the owner was aware of hostility towards you and your lady and did nothing to stop it, then maybe you should leave her to the "advice and knowledge" of her other friends. If she was not aware, then please ignore previous sentence.

Coops.
__________________
When somebody told me that I was delusional, I almost fell off of my unicorn.
Coops is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2014, 18:30   #29
Bailing as fast as I can.
 
GILow's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Boat: Swanson 42
Posts: 3,585
Re: Enough cooling water?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Coops View Post
The other side to this is, if the owner was aware of hostility towards you and your lady and did nothing to stop it, then maybe you should leave her to the "advice and knowledge" of her other friends. If she was not aware, then please ignore previous sentence.

Coops.
Hmmm, hard call, not sure to be honest. But I feel for her, she lost her husband recently and now is dependent on the assistance of others to sail her boat, which she dearly loves, and probably has lots of positive memories of her husband tied up with it. The others on board have been there for her to help her sail it up to now so who am I to judge how everyone handled it?

Maybe I AM an arrogant know-it-all male chauvanist bastard...?

And when you feel confident around boats it is easy to forget that others may love boats also, but not share the confidence of taking the boat out on their own. So I defer to anyone who helps her get the boat out on the water. (Though not if they are jeopardising her safety, or the safety of others.)

What a mess.

Matt
__________________
GILow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2014, 18:39   #30
Bailing as fast as I can.
 
GILow's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Boat: Swanson 42
Posts: 3,585
Re: Enough cooling water?

Quote:
Originally Posted by sailorboy1 View Post
I'm flexible and when needed can modify my language to "the thingie on your right"




We call thingies most by their "correct" name, but aren't the boat language police about it. BTW - both my wife and myself are ex-Navy, maybe pleasure sailboaters need to lighten up

Oh... right... THAT thingie. Why didn't you say so the first time?

Seriously though, I don't think it is overly precious to worry about the terminology, if it lends clarity to the situation. I don't advocate earbashing the newbie to the point they are cross-eyed, but it can be exhilarating when working with a crewmember on some complex manouver and you are able to plan and execute the actions through a common and clear language in seconds. And I am not a racer, just a pleasure cruiser.

Since many different people come sailing with us, the common language makes it so much easier, as many of those people sail on many other boats too.

I feel nautical terminology is a sort of practical Esperanto allowing you to travel from boat to boat (think country to country) knowing you will be understood wherever you go.

Matt
__________________

__________________
GILow is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 01:16.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.