Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 29-07-2008, 10:39   #1
Senior Cruiser
 
sneuman's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2003
Location: Jamaica
Boat: Tayana 37 Cutter
Posts: 3,167
Images: 37
Spanish club will be America's Cup challenger

NEW YORK (AP) - A New York appeals court has declared that a
Spanish yacht club is the challenger of record for the next
America's Cup, a decision that removes a California club from that
position.
The state Supreme Court's Appellate Division ruled 3-2 Tuesday
that Club Nautico Espanol de Vela should be the challenger of
record, which gives it the right to negotiate terms of the next
competition with the current Cup holder, Alinghi of Switzerland.
This decision reverses a lower-court ruling that made the Golden
Gate Yacht Club of San Francisco the challenger.
The appeals court also gave CNEV 10 months to prepare for the
race, starting when it receives a copy of the appellate ruling.
__________________

__________________
Voyage of Symbiosis: http://svsymbiosis.blogspot.com/
sneuman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2008, 02:42   #2
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Kailua, Oahu, Hawaii; Thomaston, Maine
Boat: Hughes/Perry custom CF 63' tri; Hughes 46 custom tri, Hobie 20 Fox
Posts: 97
Whomever is the challenger, I hope the boats are multihulls. I think the world needs to see the potential and excitement of big tris booming around the course...
__________________

__________________
Pipeline is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2008, 06:30   #3
Moderator Emeritus
 
GordMay's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario - 48-29N x 89-20W
Boat: (Cruiser Living On Dirt)
Posts: 31,592
Images: 240
The legal battles continue in the America's Cup.

The Golden Gate Yacht Club has lodged an appeal against this week's decision of the Appellate Division of the New York State Supreme Court. event.
BYM Sailing & Sports News
__________________
Gord May
"If you didn't have the time or money to do it right in the first place, when will you get the time/$ to fix it?"



GordMay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2008, 12:36   #4
Moderator Emeritus
 
David M's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: San Francisco Bay
Boat: research vessel
Posts: 10,152
Well, hopefully the Cup can still come to the SF Bay. The whole thing needs to be restructured so the winner is decided by who are the best sailors and not by who has the best attorneys or who rules in someones favor. The challenger aspect needs to be removed and replaced by a much more accurate system of determining who is the best by starting the boats as equal competitors. Until that can be done, the America's Cup will forever be ending up in the courts.
__________________
David

Life begins where land ends.
David M is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-2009, 00:47   #5
CF Adviser
Moderator Emeritus
 
TaoJones's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Montrose, Colorado
Posts: 9,850
A generally reliable source today posted information that claims the court hearing the Golden Gate Yacht Club's appeal of the ruling as posted at #1, above, has reached a verdict that will be favorable to GGYC. He claims that the ruling will be released in three weeks, and that it will result in the demise of CNEV and a running of the next edition of the A-Cup in trimarans - but, he says, ". . . it ain't gonna be [in] Valencia . . . it will be much windier."

If this turns out to be inaccurate, well, never mind. But, if true, could this portend an America's Cup in SF Bay?

TaoJones
__________________
"Your vision becomes clear only when you look into your own heart. Who looks outside, dreams; who looks within, awakens."
Carl Gustav Jung (1875-1961)
TaoJones is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2009, 11:23   #6
Senior Cruiser
 
sandy daugherty's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2008
Location: near Annapolis
Boat: PDQ 36 & Atlantic 42
Posts: 1,178
America's cup on trimarans in SFO? OUCH! With those winds and speeds in the twenties, they will need fifty mile courses, and San Francisco is a very busy Port. Just check out the AIS site for a picture of the traffic!
__________________
sandy daugherty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2009, 11:39   #7
Registered User
 
swagman's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Winter land based UK New Forest. Summer months away. Making the transition from sail to power this year - scary stuff.
Boat: Super Van Craft 1320 Power Yacht
Posts: 2,175
Images: 10
Send a message via Skype™ to swagman
I can only shake my head that this event is again in the hands of lawyers as opposed to sailors.

But from a personal perspective having attended and experienced the facilities in Oz, in NZ, in the USA and lastly Spain - there was no doubt about who built the best facilities for both sailors and visitors alike - and who got the most international coverage - and attracted the most visitors every day.

It was Valencia.

IMHO it would be a real shame if these facilities could not be used again - and excuse me saying it - racing equally rated monohulls.

JOHN
__________________
Don't take life too seriously. No ones going to make it out alive......Go see our blog at http://www.sailblogs.com/member/yachtswagman/
swagman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2009, 11:42   #8
CF Adviser
Moderator Emeritus
 
TaoJones's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Montrose, Colorado
Posts: 9,850
Quote:
Originally Posted by sandy daugherty View Post
America's cup on trimarans in SFO? OUCH! With those winds and speeds in the twenties, they will need fifty mile courses, and San Francisco is a very busy Port. Just check out the AIS site for a picture of the traffic!
Good point! I imagine if the event were held in San Francisco, it would be offshore, out of the high volume shipping traffic going through the Gate.

I do think the Bay Area would be an ideal A-Cup venue, but who knows?

TaoJones
__________________
"Your vision becomes clear only when you look into your own heart. Who looks outside, dreams; who looks within, awakens."
Carl Gustav Jung (1875-1961)
TaoJones is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-03-2009, 23:09   #9
Registered User

Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 10
I agree about the positive aspects of Valencia, and racing equally rated mono's there. I also would like to see AC races at other venues . . . and with other hull types. Maybe a great way to bypass these constant legal challenges, and lawyers fees, would be for the powers that be to re-engineer the whole process and agree on a new format. While I'm no IOC fan and not holding them up as the ideal organizational model, we could still take a page or two out of the Olympic format and build upon that. There's a Summer and a Winter Olympics, spaced two years apart. How about a mono and a multi AC alternating? Similarly how about some deal to rotate the hosting among bidding cities so that places that build world class racing/hosting facilities, like Valencia, can take turns bringing the AC to their stage (I'm seeing it continuing the tour of cities with the finals being rotated).

Mono's in a tacking duel is a thing to behold, as are multi's flying balls-to-the-wall in healthy winds. It would be great with the serious advancements in TV coverage capabilities to be able to showcase both on a regular basis.
__________________
Karl_in_Chicago is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2009, 09:30   #10
CF Adviser
Moderator Emeritus
 
TaoJones's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Montrose, Colorado
Posts: 9,850
As suggested here early last month, the Court of Appeals in New York has ruled against Ernesto Berterelli and SNG, voting 6-0 that the sham Spanish "Yacht Club" (CNEV) is not allowed under the Deed of Gift, and Golden Gate Yacht Club is to be the Challenger of Record. Here's the AP report on the decision:

Court: U.S. club challenger for America's Cup - ESPN

Still unknown is whether the next A-Cup will be with 90-foot trimarans, or more conventional monohulls of lesser length.

This is going to be interesting.

TaoJones
__________________
"Your vision becomes clear only when you look into your own heart. Who looks outside, dreams; who looks within, awakens."
Carl Gustav Jung (1875-1961)
TaoJones is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-04-2009, 19:55   #11
Senior Cruiser
 
sandy daugherty's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2008
Location: near Annapolis
Boat: PDQ 36 & Atlantic 42
Posts: 1,178
Since this will be a two boat show, and would require several hours to tow the boats to the open ocean, perhaps they should reconsider the sizes of the boats, and modernize the Formula 40s and keep the course in the Bay. If it could be watched from the Hills it could have a tremendous tourist draw.
__________________

__________________
sandy daugherty is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Challenger Yachts Maddog Monohull Sailboats 39 10-10-2017 07:27
Challenger 32 ? bspurr13 Monohull Sailboats 70 20-06-2017 17:10
America's Great Loop orsailor Multihull Sailboats 21 27-08-2012 07:28
China Aims to Make Run for America's Cup sneuman Monohull Sailboats 11 11-10-2007 23:21
Lodging for the 32rd America's Cup in Valencia? vedouze Europe & Mediterranean 0 03-01-2006 03:37



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 07:22.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.