Originally Posted by Nellos
Yep, title says it all.
I'm still dreaming... but I've started planning! I've been asking around a lot about boats and I'm starting to zeroing in more and more around what I'm looking for and what's reasonable.
I'd greatly appreciate any tips experienced recommendations about boats under 180 000 USD suitable for a long world circumnavigation
As I've searched on yachtworld until my fingers started to bleed I've learned the following:
- NO CHARTER
- no wood
- no steel
- Few people, but big; meaning I don't want to rent cabins for crew. This is for me and my girl and our dogs. So a handful of toilets and a bunch of cabins is useless. Sure we'll have visitors but I won't chose the boat based on the odd visit. 4-6 cabins and 4-6 toilets is just a waste of space for us.
Honestly, the perfect boat for us would be 50+ feet long, 1 master bedroom, 1 double bed
cabin, 1 toilet, (pretty fast boat if possible but not important) - that's it. (and fit for long voyages obviously)
So in my searches I've found the following pattern but please let me know what you think about it;
I think it feels like that for about 80k USD - 120k USD can get 50 feet if you are not too picky.
The cheapest appears to be the boats
50 e.g. However heard that they are a low budget and poor quality. True?
500. Too many cabins and 4 (!) Toilets.
. Apparently built mainly for charter
so exactly the opposite of what I'm after.
Beneteau First seems more in my direction. But can't find that many out for sale
Here is an example. Only three cabins and two toilets but still 53 feet: 1992 Beneteau First 53 F5 Segel Båtar till salu - se.yachtworld.com
On Beneteaus website, they no longer list the 53fot-size, only much smaller. Should I be worried about it?
65 - large and fast boat, right? But is it good? There is no other such long boat around 120k USD so I become suspicious ...
See a lot of Jeanneau
Sun Odyssey and Dufour
- what about them?
See also some Atlantic 50ish but rarely or never (!) Pictures of and inside the boat. That makes me suspicious. Experiences?
The next level is at 155k USD when it starts to open up a bit more interesting models that match my search but also other brands I do not know starts to pop up such as Elan, Wauquiez, Malcolm, Hako, Andrews, Bruce Roberts
, Bay Class, Amel, Passport, Colvic, Tayana, Hanse, etc.
Any of them good?
Then it just gets more and more exciting the closer to 350k USD I get but I'm not there yet
But the budget's not set in stone. If everyone here would answer this to my perfect boat costs 215k USD so I guess I'll save some more ...
Pure comfort wise I'm actually very interested catamaran sail boats. They seem unbeatable. Gladly accept tips of those as well.
However, no trimaran racer
Nellos, welcome to CF. there is so much for a newbie to absorb and be exposed to. Take heart, friend, all of us on here were in your spot at one time or not far ahead of you. U have the right attitude so I just want to give u a couple of principles to help guide you if I might be allowed to do so.
You are literally a clean slate right now. Many very experienced people on here will tell u what will work. They can be absolutely 100 percent correct and u would save a lot of time and money
doing exactly what they say. But it comes down to free agency and your right to make mistakes
. The choices that you make you have to live with. You paid for that opportunity so make sure you don't do something foolish.
First of all, God loves irony that is why he created a forum and put monohull
sailors together with multihull
sailors. I think it is an endless sense of entertainment for him. So keep that in mind when reading posts.
Boats are like women. Some men
never will date an Asian or a red head
. Some men
like highly intelligent women. Some men like women with big ....well u get the idea ! Since u have no experience this is the first and most complex issue for u to understand . U don't know shizzle and so that is where u begin. Sweden
is a country of high latitude with long dark winters. Don't rush to do anything like make a decision to marry the girl at the college dance because she is a good salsa dancer. You need experience ... Actually a fair amount of it before laying your money
down. During the sailing season in Sweden
you can crew in regattas, sailing clubs always have mid week beer
can races in California
. I am sure your country does to. Take certification classes
in warmer countries. Go to the local yacht clubs and talk to boat owners about their boats. Offer to help them do work for some sailing time. I got plenty of rides like this when I was in my 30's. There are endless ways to get sea miles. Latitude 49, a Northern California
sailing mag is always looking for crew. ARC
boats crossing the Atlantic around late November every year always looking for crews to help go to the Carib.
The second thing is this. You are in a relationship with a partner. She will look at it a little differently than u will. Women have different needs then men for personal hygiene, showers, sleep, on and on. If you can please her and she is just as invested in this as you... Man U have the world by the tail. I have a friend who pushed his woman too hard and took her out on San Francisco
Bay on a rough day. She got violently seasick and swore she will never sail with him again. It was on a trimaran
and since u don't know it yet.... That is one of the boats u have least amount of seasick people on. Be careful and nurture her along very carefully.
The three motions of a boat are very important for you to learn early. The three axis are pitch
, yaw, and roll. Different boats handle those axis in different ways. You can watch YouTube and see the forces of wind
, wave, and current
affect different boats in different ways. As a boat climbs a wave that is pitch
. As the boat slides down the wave and rolls from side to side that is pitch and roll. Rolling really messes me up. As the boat slides down the back of that wave and rolls while it yaws ( nose of the boat slides off course you have just the beginning of an idea what I am talking about. Watch you tube and see medium size boats 40ish footers monohull
rolling, yawing, and pitching.
Sea keeping properties of any boat are heavily influenced by length of boat, shape of hull
, ballast, appendages like skegs, forefoots, and only about s thousand more things. Smile.
The third thing is you choose a boat for the style of work the boat will be used for. You wouldn't choose a 40 thousand heavy displacement
cruiser with a 10 foot draft
for sailing in the Caribbean
. You wouldn't choose a 27 foot Ian Farrier trimaran for sailing from New York
. You must not be seduced by either camp of mono or multihull
sailors until you know what works for you and her. I am an ex racer
. I am also more minimalistic then most. So I have my predilection for fast cats and trimarans. But if I was rounding the great Capes I would need a very large vessel with crew to do it in my choice. Many single
handed sailors would choose a moderate to heavy displacement
vessel for that type of work.... Like a Hans Chrisitian. So, my friend... Everything is a compromise when choosing a boat. My wife wouldn't last 10 minutes in a real seaway on a boat that rolls like hell. You will need to get experience with boats to know what works.
There are medicines available that can almost completely stop that problem so be aware of that help.
Spreadsheet choices when u get closer to choosing. Give yourself several years of intensive study, observation, on hands experience, and long honest conversations with your sweetheart. Be patient and understanding with her. She will deeply respect it if you don't shove it down her throat. You will know in time what she wants.
It is an exciting time for the two of you. Jump in and get wet... Waters fine !!!