Trailerable blue-ocean: exists?

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by john61ct

Preach it brother! I am at this point very confident of miracles in this arena.

While I've got you:

Say a Nor'sea appeared at the same price,

both very sound structurally but

in similar "2" condition, relative to "5" being Admiral-ready spiffy and turnkey ready for passage making.

Any advantages to the Defender over the Nor'sea once the acquisition price factor is out of the picture?

Of course anyone can answer!

disclaimer: this is personal opinion.
I am assuming you are refering to the nor'sea 27 vs the defender.
1) the defender is 2'6" longer
2) flush deck on defender which in my opinion would be much safer offshore to work off of.
3) with the raised deck there is considerably more internal volume.
4) although it doesn't appear so the flush deck actually has less side windage.

But I am rather biased and personally don't like the canoe stern of the nor'sea
It all comes down to personal preferences and condition

[Jim Cate]

John, it is none of my biz, but it seems to me that your absolute unwillingness to apply for wider load permits a few times over the years is gonna defeat your real needs for sea worthiness, head room and living space in your eventual voyaging home.

Can you explain how this works in your favor? I don't get it!

Jim

[JPA Cate]

One time, I saw a Norsea 27 sitting on one of those trailers which have sets of rollers, on wide "V" shaped frames. The hull was deformed at each intersection of hull and roller. It could not have been good for the hull. I think any trailer one used for one would have to contain a proper cradle.

A comment about flush deck boats, I agree with the poster above who wrote that they are easier to get about on. Smaller boats, such as john61ct is considering tend to have lively motion, and the heavier ones, less so.

Ann

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by JPA Cate

One time, I saw a Norsea 27 sitting on one of those trailers which have sets of rollers, on wide "V" shaped frames. The hull was deformed at each intersection of hull and roller. It could not have been good for the hull. I think any trailer one used for one would have to contain a proper cradle.

A comment about flush deck boats, I agree with the poster above who wrote that they are easier to get about on. Smaller boats, such as john61ct is considering tend to have lively motion, and the heavier ones, less so.

Ann

Ann thank you. The defender seems to settle down quite well in about 15 knots of wind

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by john61ct

Thanks, some of those are new to me.

And yes, not looking for a trailer-sailor as such, may only need to retrieve/launch a few times over the years, and blue water safety/stability/seakindliness does apparently mandate a heavy boat. "Transportable without permits" is a more accurate prerequisite.

My first choice so far is Nor'sea 27, and they're nearly 5 ton loaded, and probably 3 hours to step / re-rig each time. Not to mention expensive. . .

Sailing abilities like pointing and speed are, not irrelevant, but low priority, I have minimal expectations there.

The weak point of many (all?) the boats you mention is liveaboard space for fulltime cruising, not just people but supplies, a pretty important criterion for me.

And that headroom issue of course.

If anyone can compare this grouping wrt that issue I'd appreciate it.

Based on your statements above the best all round boat for you is a Westerly Centaur..
Decent accommodation and good headroom.. tons of storage space under the salon berths and galley.. the option of two double berths, one in the bow and the other in the saloon.. tiller steering so cheap on the electric crew.
Easily fitted on a flatbed trailer and lashed down.. all that's needed apart from that is some angle iron stops bolted/welded to fit snugly against the outside of each bilge keel to stop any sideway sliding.
Fit a tabernacle for the mast step and raising and lowering the mast becomes easy.. just release the forestay leaving the side shrouds in place to hold her central as you lower the mast.. a guyed spinnaker pole comes in handy for this operation.
Performance overall is respectable except maybe a few points further off the wind than some of the others mentioned above but in an emergency theyve a decent engine usually to bail you out if embayed.. and a good Rep to boot.

[406Columbia]

Originally Posted by john61ct

Wrong coast 8-)

Think it could be adapted to haul a Nor'sea? I figure that's probably the heaviest on the narrow-beam list.

Don't suppose it's aluminum?

Well the wrong coast is an issue, but yes its completely adjustable. The trailer is made of galvanized steel.

[406Columbia]

Originally Posted by newhaul

where's your refit thread? No pictures and it didn't happen..

Yeah I guess I better start that soon

[newhaul]

I started mine on the day I Aquired my latest and last project.

[Tricolor]

I think difficult to find in the States but end seventies early eighties in Europe a popular blue water trailer sailer the Dehler 80 AK Delanta designed by E.G van de Stadt

[sailpower]

Originally Posted by john61ct

I would rather have to sail more slowly

if that buys a stronger safer boat, being a top priority

warm and dry living room is a less important factor, but still more important than speed, there will be no racing

Had no idea so many options!
Why not buy a 30k boat noe
This is a long-term work-savings project anyway, so higher price "just" means farther into the future

At your age any "long term" plan is pretty much not going to happen in time for you to implement it so why not buy a 20k or so boat now and just do it?

[john61ct]

Originally Posted by sailpower

At your age any "long term" plan is pretty much not going to happen in time for you to implement it so why not buy a 20k or so boat now and just do it?

It is not the money that is my primary roadblock, my personal caregiving obligations for several family members across several generations is.

So in effect I have the gift of time to find a great boat at a good price, and also time to increase my savings.

But thanks much for the useful reminder of the need for a sense of urgency, as no one knows how soon God will call us home.

I'm hoping I have at least twenty years to go.

[john61ct]

Originally Posted by Tricolor

I think difficult to find in the States but end seventies early eighties in Europe a popular blue water trailer sailer the Dehler 80 AK Delanta designed by E.G van de Stadt

Thanks, looks difficult to find details in English, but I have Dutch friends that might help me google, translate does pretty well with that pairing.

[john61ct]

[QUOTE=boatman61;2630687]Based on your statements above the best all round boat for you is a Westerly Centaur..[QUOTE]Yes Centaur has definitely been up near the top since I first came across them, and I really love the shallow draft and easy beaching.

Thanks for the further details!

One came up within a few hours of me for cheap a while ago, but it looked like the owners had just let her go, no maintenance for maybe decades.

But maybe I should take those as opportunities to at least go have a look in person, maybe see if the owner would let us AirBNB a couple nights 8-)

[john61ct]

Originally Posted by JPA Cate

One time, I saw a Norsea 27 sitting on one of those trailers which have sets of rollers, on wide "V" shaped frames. The hull was deformed at each intersection of hull and roller. It could not have been good for the hull. I think any trailer one used for one would have to contain a proper cradle.

A comment about flush deck boats, I agree with the poster above who wrote that they are easier to get about on. Smaller boats, such as john61ct is considering tend to have lively motion, and the heavier ones, less so.

All great points Ann. Especially the need for a non-generic trailer setup.

Hard to imagine an owner risking hull integrity!

I definitely want to be able to self-ramp launch in a pinch, many third-world places won't have equipped marinas nearby.

Will a "proper cradle" arrangement allow for that?

I see several boat trailer products out there with a*larger surface area designed to support a hull with reduced contact pressure.

I'm thinking having a well-thought out trailer will make it possible to grab that miracle bargain quickly when the time comes.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by john61ct

All great points Ann. Especially the need for a non-generic trailer setup.

Hard to imagine an owner risking hull integrity!

I definitely want to be able to self-ramp launch in a pinch, many third-world places won't have equipped marinas nearby.

Will a "proper cradle" arrangement allow for that?

I see several boat trailer products out there with a*larger surface area designed to support a hull with reduced contact pressure.

I'm thinking having a well-thought out trailer will make it possible to grab that miracle bargain quickly when the time comes.

John two things first an extended tongue on the trailer if do what I used to do back in tie a rope to the trailer unhitch and roll the trailer out in till the boat floats off then use the rope to retrieve the trailer . ( just don't forget fresh water rinse )
next what third world country would you be driving to to go sailing?