Sailing Performance vs Accomodations

[cat man do]

Originally Posted by Joli

Have you sailed a long heavy boat upwind? Probably the quickest upwind boats ever built were the old IOR maxi's. The were long and heavy.............

And downwind or off the breeze?

[Stillraining]

Squirrel..

[svHyLyte]

If one is wise enough to buy a mid-1980's era Beneteau First 42 or First 456, one can have both. Easy Peasy.

[Randy]

I hate boats that can't sail to weather and have to motorsail or simply motor. I wouldn't own a boat with a big engine. I like comfort but a boat has to SAIL!!!

[SkiprJohn]

Have to agree with Randy. Thanks for saying it simply.
regards,

[S&S]

Originally Posted by Joli

Have you sailed a long heavy boat upwind? Probably the quickest upwind boats ever built were the old IOR maxi's. The were long and heavy.............

CCA's were even better in a rough sea- but wet as hell.

That volvo race video seemed very familiar

[Joefloki]

I miss one question:
-Living space or safety

[Joli]

And down wind they dig big holes in the ocean but you can't really have it both ways. Want to go up wind you need power (weight), want to plane downwind you need to get the weight off the boat but to plane you need wind.

At the end of the a very good run across the pond in the years ARC the first boats are finishing, the Wally 80 and the Volvo 60 finished minutes apart. These were fully crewed racing boats that are capable of planing but they only averaged 9.4 knots or 225 miles per day. Hmmm?

The estimated elapsed finish times for the Grand Soliel 40, Bene 40.7, Swan 46, Swan 48, Skye 51, Cantana 471, Privlage 495 put the average daily runs at 7.2 knots or 172 miles per day.

Going back to the original posters question, performance versus comfort.

I would argue that Don's boat making the jump across the pond would probably average 160 mile days pretty easily, not bad for a 35 year old design with a 32 foot waterline costing less then $50k. Throw in a another $4 million and you can move up the the Wally 80 and sail 2.5 knots faster!

Regarding the comfort side: the Cal 39 is a fairly commodious boat with a good layout and decent storage but comfort is subjective. I leave the answer to that question to each boat owners personal preference.

Performance is easily measured, comfort isn't.

Cheers Joli

Originally Posted by cat man do

And downwind or off the breeze?

[Joli]

Great boats and they can bought right!

Originally Posted by svHyLyte

If one is wise enough to buy a mid-1980's era Beneteau First 42 or First 456, one can have both. Easy Peasy.

[totemthepole]

There is always a compromise. I can't believe I haven;t seen rule number one posted here: Performance, comfort, low budget. You can have two of the three. Period.

I cruised the Bahamas for years on a Stiletto 30 cat. A total hot rod, we are talking blazing speed. Two double bunks, a porta potti, and a galley. But huge deck space with a boom tent, a huge tramp forward, and beachable. And a screaming hot rod. And CHEAP. So there was two out of three.

Right now I've got an old Bristol 34. Nice lines, pre IOR distortion. Low budget. BUT, sailing around at 3 or 4 knots is kind of lame. So there's a different two out of three.

I'm looking to upgrade to a bigger boat. I'm going over to Spain to check out a big 80 foot schooner. Plenty of room, can bring everyone I know with me wherever, can bring along everything including the kitchen sink, dinghies, jetskis, dive gear, watermaker, genset, etc. And an eleven knot hull speed. So I ought to be able to count on averaging 8 or 9 kts all the time. BUT, forget the low budget. SO here's the last two out of three.

AND, just keep in mind, the old clipper ship records were always averaging around eight knots. The only unbroken one is Hong Kong to New York, 74 days 14 hrs for 14,255 miles. That's 7.9 knots average. Even the insane rocket multihulls can't beat it.

[chala]

Originally Posted by MarkJ

(a good cruising boat needs hatches not dorades for the tropics).

Not when it rain. It needs both.

[Stillraining]

Dang..Joli thats a big winch!

[imagine2frolic]

Yeah, it makes one feel winch envy.........i2f

[FrankZ]

Originally Posted by imagine2frolic

Yeah, it makes one feel winch envy.........i2f

Its not the size of the winch.. ok, who am I trying to kid.. yeah.. winch envy.

[cat man do]

Originally Posted by Joli

And down wind they dig big holes in the ocean but you can't really have it both ways.

Which is more what my comment was getting at

My limited IOR experiences have been on under 12m boat that were shocking downhill under kite, digging holes broaching and ordinary steering being their traits, being designed to rate well in a rule, not necesarily sailing well, though some IOR's are great off the breeze, Saltash II being a notable one

Saltash II

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