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Old 05-01-2016, 12:20   #886
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Re: Tragedy Strikes.

I'd say you learned a Hell of a lot in six days.

RE starter, I haven't tried it yet, but I believe that big Milwaukee drill I have to make my winches electric might have a shot at starting my 4-JHE. I know it would if I had a compression release, I don't of course, but many motors do.
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I'd say you learned a Hell of a lot in six days.

RE starter, I haven't tried it yet, but I believe that big Milwaukee drill I have to make my winches electric might have a shot at starting my 4-JHE. I know it would if I had a compression release, I don't of course, but many motors do.

Do the crank starters attach to the front bolt on crankshaft pulley? Or do they have to be put on where electric starter is?

I would love to have a backup that could use the former as that seems much quicker in an emergency. I thought of using a drill as well but wonder what happens when engine kicks- could you get the socket off of the nut quickly before the engine flings the drill? Seems like would only be safe with a ratcheting function that would let it freewheel...


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Do the crank starters attach to the front bolt on crankshaft pulley? Or do they have to be put on where electric starter is?

I would love to have a backup that could use the former as that seems much quicker in an emergency. I thought of using a drill as well but wonder what happens when engine kicks- could you get the socket off of the nut quickly before the engine flings the drill? Seems like would only be safe with a ratcheting function that would let it freewheel...


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A lever opens an exhaust valve so there is no compression. The crank handle slides onto the front of the crankshaft. The crank handle has a ratcheting pawl that will only catch in one direction so that the handle doesn't beat one to death once the engine starts.


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Old 05-01-2016, 19:10   #889
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Re: Tragedy Strikes.

Regarding manual starters check out
" How to use a Kineteco Spring Starter" on YouTube,
Don't know how to do a direct link
Sorry,
On another note I read Gil's recap
Of the events and I wonder if he ever
Gave a detailed explanation of his
Electrical problems? Was it a charging issue and thus no power or did something burn out that led to him being unable to start the engine
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Old 05-01-2016, 20:25   #890
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Re: Tragedy Strikes.

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He may not want her anymore, if she ends up on the beach. Let's hope she's found while still drifting, or anchors herself.
In his blog he says he wants her back very badly. Of course I realize that could change but at least that is how he feels at this point. I'm optimistic that it will turn up somewhere along the east coast. For most of the US east coast, unless there's a strong onshore breeze, having an anchor dangling from 60' of rode is fairly likely to prevent her from being damaged very badly. Of course there's always a chance she could find a rock the hard way, but given the topography of the US east coast south of Cape Cod, I like her chances.
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Re: Tragedy Strikes.

Nice post Gil...I wish you all the best and that you will be united with your little ship. It will be nice for you to spend time with family. I'm still holding out for a favorable outcome.
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Need help:

Trying to see how we can email the "Vessel Adrift, Please Be On The Lookout" flyer to boat US and Sea Tow. Anyone have a listing? Anyone want to tackle this? I can do it if not. Me and another volunteer are emailing marinas, we have covered Florida and Georgia and are working our way north. I would not be able to hit the tow companies till later this week.
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Re: Tragedy Strikes.

Gil,

Thanks for the informative post. Allow me to tell you about me and seasickness. I tried many, many different substances to alleviate it, and wrist bands, and finally found medication available over the counter in England, and made in Belgium: stugeron, cinnarizine HCl, and it has made my life a whole lot better. Other things sort of work, the wristbands kept me from throwing up all the time, but I still felt queasy, shaky, weak, and very low energy....for 19 days. I have tried dramamine; it puts me to sleep.
Meclizine helps some. Ear patches work, but the side effects of dry mouth and (for me, headache) make them not too desirable. Stugeron doesn't make me drowsy, usually, and it makes the nausea go away. I can even read! :-D

That would have made your whole experience different.

You're quite right about the weather gear">foul weather gear, too. Protection from the weather is really important in reducing fatigue, and is one reason most of us have dodgers.

Hand holds, yes, essential.

On a small boat, you could consider a manual windlass; however, we noticed that after we added the electric one, we experienced what sandero wrote about, it just made re-anchoring, for whatever reason, much easier.

You're right about the self-steering: very important to have it working properly during test sails before you head off. A well found boat will steer herself on the wind with the helm lashed, off the wind, not. I bet you've already figured out some things to try next time.

The bilge is a black hole because gravity sucks!

If you have a nice photo of a spot you enjoyed with Dagny, have it printed and framed, and keep it where you can see it. You weren't finished yet, and seeing that will help you remember the goal, especially if you get to feeling down or overburdened. Bless the good times, eh?

We're still hoping you get her back in good shape, and send you best wishes for the future.

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Re: Tragedy Strikes.

The hand crank able engines I've seen and/or cranked had compression releases, large flywheels to store the energy from cranking, and the crank point was the cam shaft. Don't know why the cam shaft was rhe crank point though it could be because there was some mechanical advantage as the cam turns at a reduced rpm to the engine.

Hand cranked a Volvo Md2b for ten years. The dynamotor starter/generator mount bolts broke after we got to the Marquesas. To get the broken bolts out would have required pulling the engine so it was hand crank or row. Fortunately had set the engine up to hand crank before we left. Hand starting turned out to be easy. Pull the compression releases, crank till max rpm reached, release the crank and drop one of the compression releases, engine almost always fired on that one cylinder first try, then drop the 2nd compression release and all was fine. Did hand crank a 3 cylinder Volvo but that was a real grunt. Think the energy stored in the heavy flywheel played a big part in how easy the engine was to hand start. Never did pull the engine, remove the broken bolts and reinstall the dynamotor starter. Sold the boat 10 years later without a working starter.

Current Yanmar 3GM30f has compression releases but not the large flywheel and the crank point is obstructed by the raw water pump/alternator belt.
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Need help:

Trying to see how we can email the "Vessel Adrift, Please Be On The Lookout" flyer to boat US and Sea Tow. Anyone have a listing? Anyone want to tackle this? I can do it if not. Me and another volunteer are emailing marinas, we have covered Florida and Georgia and are working our way north. I would not be able to hit the tow companies till later this week.
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Did the USCG issue a "Notices to Mariners" alert on VHF radio? If not, that would be a good option.
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sorry fighting the flu here, and juggling a lot of different projects. How bout this?




Please be advised that a 26 ft sailing vessel Dagny, dragged anchor on 12/22/2015 from West End Grand Bahama and is believed to be drifting up the southern east coast ( per Chris Parker weather router drift analysis ). If you can alert your customers about sv Dagny, it would be greatly appreciated. She has no lights so is a hazard to Navigation.

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26ft sailboat, Morris Francis mid 1970s
Flush deck
Light color tan deck, white hull with dark blue/black stripes
Double ender
boom Gallows
Sails stowed on deck
Windvane, stern hung rudder
All ports and hatches closed and locked
Bubble viewing hatch
4 solar panels glued to deck
Flying quarantine yellow flag



(Pics of Dagny)




Estimated location per Chris Parker's drift analysis

"At 5pm on Wed30, I now estimate Dagny might lie near 30-50N/80-56W, based on drift Sent from my iPad
At 5pm on Thu31, I now estimate Dagny might lie near 30-59N/80-50W, based on drift from wind of 10mi, in direction 030T.
I'll reiterate: Of course, all of the above is only an educated guess, and the possible errors compound over time...cheers...Chris."

(Pics of last two drift coordinates 12/30 and 12/31)



Estimated drift route per Chris Parker

(Pic of Full drift analysis, thanks to CFer Leaseonlife )
I would change the beginning to "Please be on the lookout for" and put as a title centered in all caps at the p "BOLO"
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Thank you everyone for all the tips and encouragements. If Dagny is found I will do everything in my power to get her back.

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Boat Owners Association of The United States
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Wow, 60 pages. Been listening to Chris Parkers radio show over a keys cruise and heard it mentioned. Did not envision it to be a Morris, but perhaps a Balboa, hunter something like that.

This may well have been covered, but were hatches open. That's a pretty low freeboard boat and perhaps swamping is a possibility in the relatively strong weather over the last several weeks.
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Boat was all closed up, & locked.
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