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Old 10-06-2013, 11:29   #271
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Re: Sailor Lost; 406 EPIRB Activated 30nm N of Key West

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On a purely practical note, a lot cheaper and a lot less paperwork (can be none!, if simply checked through with luggage) to get a body across borders if they have been cremated first. A body likely will be costing in the thousands and lots of health related paperwork as well.

Obviously family / religious sensibilities to take into account, but just because someone gets cremated does not mean they can't then be interred into a plot and also have a funeral at "Home". Being cremated does not make scattering compulsory / the only option for the remains.

Although Cuba a Catholic (Atheist?!) country and IIRC cremation not such a biggie with that religion it is not forbidden - so I would be very surprised if Cuba did not have some Crematorium facilities.

Anyway, just a practical thought.
as an aside , ( and no Im not interested inflames) the 1992 Cuban constitution permits religious freedom, but in practice it is predominantly Catholic.

Catholicism has no issue with cremation by the way, its has permitted its followers ( deluded as they might be!!) to be cremated since the 1960s!!, There are issues surrounding the presence of the cremated remains in the funeral liturgy!.

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Old 10-06-2013, 17:29   #273
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My deepest sympathy to Jay's family and friends.

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Old 10-06-2013, 18:27   #274
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Catholicism --- has permitted its followers ( deluded as they might be!!) ---

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Old 11-06-2013, 15:57   #275
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My deepest condolences to his friends and family. I don't know what else to say.......see you one day...
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And you say you're not interested in flames?

Im an athesist , perhaps they are all correct and Im the deluded one

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Re: Sailor Lost; 406 EPIRB Activated 30nm N of Key West

Discussing religion on the Internet is quite insane IMHO, especially on a sailing forum.
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Discussing religion on the Internet is quite insane IMHO, especially on a sailing forum.
I think it was me who first brought it up (on this thread - not the internet!) - but that purely from a practical perspective (dead folks involve a lot of practicalities!), although also on the Atheist end of gods IME can find pretty much whatever you want from religions, and that even without leaving the "mainstream" - just have to ask around as practices vary from place to place and even Church to Church of the same sect. and they tend to be pragmatic when needed, especially if you turn up with facts on the ground (i.e. body already cremated).

In this case, cremation (for cost, simplicity and speed reasons) likely a pragmatic route that is doable in practice.

Am conscious that this thread not really for a wide ranging discussion, but from the sounds of him I doubt Jay would mind if his demise abroad throws up a few pointers for others who find themselves in same circumstances.
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A very intelligent thought... that goat did have a positive influence...
LOL!

When will you be back down in the southern, watery hemisphere?
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A very intelligent thought... that goat did have a positive influence...
Yeah, the Goat had a lot of good ideas .

Of course the fact that I got the T-shirt on the body abroad thing (and the later religious burial rules at home) did also kinda help - albeit at the time I was kinda surprised to find I already had a good handle on the deal, part of my collection of useless info that rattles around the noggin of DOJ .
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I am setting sail to Cuba to retrieve the remains of Jay. It appears the United States government has no desire to do such but you will see an American take proper actions.
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I am setting sail to Cuba to retrieve the remains of Jay. It appears the United States government has no desire to do such but you will see an American take proper actions.


Good man. Way to honor your friend.
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I am setting sail to Cuba to retrieve the remains of Jay. It appears the United States government has no desire to do such but you will see an American take proper actions.
Godspeed friend. One day your praiseworthy commitment and practical involvement will be returned in ways you never thought of. I wish you fair winds with everything you do on this trip. Keep us posted.
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Re: Sailor Lost; 406 EPIRB Activated 30nm N of Key West

very new to this forum and iv been reading through the threads day by day, i can only say that it seems i found the right place to be with a great community for the most part and i hope to meet some of you as i start my sailing adventures.

i wish to express my respect and awe of h34 and capngeo who in this troubled time seem to have been rocks in the community which only inspired myself.

an lastly id like to send my condolences to the family of Jay, a man i never knew but seems to be loved and respected on these forums.
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I am setting sail to Cuba to retrieve the remains of Jay. It appears the United States government has no desire to do such but you will see an American take proper actions.
Good luck, H.

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