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Old 11-10-2016, 14:35   #31
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Re: Does Customs Check Engines When Coming Into USA Waters?

A friend of mine equipped his new 40foot catamaran with two Yanmar Diesel outboards, that was in 1999. He crossed the Atlantic to the Caribbean and Florida. As far as I know no problem to cruise US waters in 2000. The cat flew Gibraltar flag.

But when leaving for the Pacific he changed the cat to two inboard Diesel as he was absolutely unhappy with the Diesel outboards. You my imagine that hes problems with the Diesel Outboards were important that he changed the propulsion system completely: two new saildrives, two new Yanmars 2GM20.

Outboards may be cheap propulsion system but with many cons if you use your catamaran as a liveaboard sailor who likes to move.
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Old 11-10-2016, 21:30   #32
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Well, there ya go. That happens.

Are you thinking long-distance motoring? If not, electric?

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Many, many long distance voyages. Electric too limited methinks, already looked into it.
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Old 12-10-2016, 01:51   #33
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A friend of mine equipped his new 40foot catamaran with two Yanmar Diesel outboards, that was in 1999. He crossed the Atlantic to the Caribbean and Florida. As far as I know no problem to cruise US waters in 2000. The cat flew Gibraltar flag.

But when leaving for the Pacific he changed the cat to two inboard Diesel as he was absolutely unhappy with the Diesel outboards. You my imagine that hes problems with the Diesel Outboards were important that he changed the propulsion system completely: two new saildrives, two new Yanmars 2GM20.

Outboards may be cheap propulsion system but with many cons if you use your catamaran as a liveaboard sailor who likes to move.
Outboard vs inboard is more about the design of the boat. If he just bolted a couple outboards (regardless of fuel source) onto the back of a boat designed for inboards, I could definitely see a problem.

We spent 10yrs with an outboard and now have twin inboards on the new boat...we miss the outboard for a variety of reasons. The ones that have problems seem to be the ones who try to cobble an outboard onto the boat.
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Old 12-10-2016, 05:54   #34
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Many, many long distance voyages. Electric too limited methinks, already looked into it.
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Four stroke outboards are not the end of the world, and being lighter is not a bad thing either.

Hmmm...

Inboard diesel, out. Electric outboard, out. Changing boats, out. Diesel outboard, questionable so far, and more likely a lot of work at least and maybe skirting the legal system...

Bazillions of boats run on gasoline. Only a very few of those (by percentages) ever suffer safety-related catastrophes. And safety issues are mostly within the operator's direct control.


A diesel outboard might get you better fuel economy... compared to a gasoline outboard of similar weight. OTOH, a gasoline outboard of similar power might weigh enough less to make that almost a wash.


Think I'd just get out on the water sooner rather than later...


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Old 12-10-2016, 07:32   #35
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Re: Does Customs Check Engines When Coming Into USA Waters?

Here is the latest offering by yanmar a small turbo twin diesel outboard .
NEANDER Outboard Engine : Neander Shark
Came on the market within the last 6 months . However I was unable to find any info as to tier compliance .
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Here is the latest offering by yanmar a small turbo twin diesel outboard .
NEANDER Outboard Engine : Neander Shark
Came on the market within the last 6 months . However I was unable to find any info as to tier compliance .
Seems a bit heavy at 175 kg (385 lbs) dry for 50 horsepower.
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I've opted for just diesel on my harry. Better than messing with dozens of gasoline jugs like I smelled on another guy's proa. Imported a yanmar D27 from Baltic Machinery. https://www.balticmachinery.com/products Yeah it's heavy but should be fine for the big 25ft tender. I wouldn't worry about customs.

Also getting a diesel Wallas oven/stove/heater combo for the saloon. "Unlike propane systems, Wallas ovens draw combustion air from the cabin and exhaust overboard. This process dries the cabin interior, while eliminating the need for hazardous heavier-than-air gaseous fuels". Yeah pricey but oh well, will likely enjoy. https://www.scanmarineusa.com/products/ovens
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The boat is a harryproa. Simply too small, and with no inboard-friendly hull shapes anyway--both hulls tapered to sharp edges fore and aft.
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Is there any huge overwhelming reason to not just change boats?

Not a recommendation, just a contrarian idea: a different approach to solving a propulsion problem...

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Yes--I've become enamored. Can't fall in love with a mere material thing like a boat, but you know...so close!
I know exactly what you mean! No other will do. Which model of harryproa are you building?
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Re: Does Customs Check Engines When Coming Into USA Waters?

Well I just received an email from klaxon diesel and they told me I could purchase and have one of their outboards legally shipped to me in the USA . For my own private use legally . I just can't import them for resale. They even sent a PDF of prices. Comparable to any other 4 stroke engine.
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Yeah I've looked at the Klaxon diesels but have doubts. Chinese motors aren't exactly renowned for their reliability. Would be nice to hear from someone that uses them.

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Yeah I've looked at the Klaxon diesels but have doubts. Chinese motors aren't exactly renowned for their reliability.
Perhaps junk from Harbor Freight, but major players like SDEC might not deserve the stereotype. Have you heard negative comments about Shainghai Diesel?
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Well I just received an email from klaxon diesel and they told me I could purchase and have one of their outboards legally shipped to me in the USA . For my own private use legally . I just can't import them for resale. They even sent a PDF of prices. Comparable to any other 4 stroke engine.
I would run that by the US Customs and EPA folks (and get a written answer from both).

I'm not buying their answer. Hopefully, it's an honest mistake and not that they figure it's your problem once they make the sale. It makes no sense for that to be a legitimate option as it completely undermines the reason for the rule.
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I imported a yanmar D27 from Baltic Machinery. https://www.balticmachinery.com/products Yeah it's heavy but should be fine for the big 25ft tender.

You were able to import a Yanmar diesel into the USA from Europe?



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Which model of harryproa are you building?

Cruiser 60 cut down to 40 feet. Fiberglass and carbon fiber construction. Schooner rig, unstayed masts, wishbone booms. And when Rob finally finishes testing with his telescoping mast prototype I'll probably have this option, too.
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I would run that by the US Customs and EPA folks (and get a written answer from both).

I'm not buying their answer. Hopefully, it's an honest mistake and not that they figure it's your problem once they make the sale. It makes no sense for that to be a legitimate option as it completely undermines the reason for the rule.
I will check with customs and the local EPA office prior to placing an order.
I'm hoping that it is correct and I can import one for personal use. The 6 HP would work great on my boat .
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Perhaps junk from Harbor Freight, but major players like SDEC might not deserve the stereotype. Have you heard negative comments about Shainghai Diesel?
Not specifically. But there are alot of Chinese cars down here in Peru. And other products. They're alright for the first year then start falling apart. Tranny, motors, everything. The quality is not there. If you are looking for quality, Japanese is the way go. ie Toyota. Yanmar.

But hey its worth a shot as the prices are good. Was thinking buying two might be the ticket, then you have a spare for parts.
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