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Old 14-12-2007, 01:39   #1
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Crazy? - Mumm 30

So last night one of the friendly club members throws us the virtual keys to his Mumm 30.

I'm not using it and someone should. Please take my boat out and give her some exercise.

We are 3 medium experienced sailors. I've raced J-24s this year and one partner has crewed on race boats. I've sailed an average or twice a week in the last year in relax Lah! (definjitely she is not a thoroughbred.) None of us has sailed the Mumm 30.

Are we crazy to go out and give it a go in 15-20kt airs? I think it will be fun. We are going to try and dig up a 4th. Perferably someone who knows how to raise and lower the mainsail - LOL

Any tips, thoughts or warnings appreciated.
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Old 14-12-2007, 02:56   #2
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Any tips, thoughts or warnings appreciated.
Go for it. They are just a boat the same as all. Don't worry about the extra pieces of string that hang off it like adjustable backstays etc till you work them out.
Its more like racing a dinghy in that you pull on a sheet, or steer up a bit and all of a sudden the boat is healing like its going down for the count. It just takes a little while to get the feel of it.

Try not to put up the kite i the first hour

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Go for it ... Don't worry about the extra pieces of string that hang off it like adjustable backstays ... Have fun
I don't think the Mumm has adjustable backstays, nor any "extra" strings.
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They are fun boats, you may want to pick up two more guys. They pop up quickly so downwind is fun, remember to sail your angles.
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other guys' stuff

I dunno, I'm hinky about using another guy's stuff. If I even considered doing this at all, and I'm pretty sure I'd say no thanks, I'd probably want to go for a sail with him first.

I'd feel like a total sh*t if I took someone's stuff and damaged it, boat, car, chainsaw, whatever. If it's my stuff, well, my problem, but it's different with another guy's stuff.

But that's just me, if you're cool with it then do it.
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My son has a Mumm36 which they race extensively. It does indeed have runners as well as a few other gadgets not common to most other boats but that shouldn't dissuade you from sailing her. They are extremely fast and great fun to sail in a breeze and after doing so, I feel like I just stepped out of a Formula One car back into my SUV. You will need at least 4 to sail her and as many as 7 to do it correctly.
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My son has a Mumm36 which they race extensively. It does indeed have runners as well as a few other gadgets
The 36 may use runners, but the Mumm 30 doesn’t, according to the designers:
Design #338 Mumm 30 - Farr Yacht Design

... During design conferences, we applied a simple test for complex issues, "Will this detail or feature make the boat more fun to sail?" Time and again, we found that the simplest solution was the best one. For example, there are no running backstays. The extra crewman needed for runners, and the chance of losing the rig if the runners aren't set up properly, are eliminated. The boat has a very high righting moment because high stability means speed upwind and a boat that is easier to get in the groove ...
... This sailing machine will be easy for less experienced crews to handle ...

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The 36 is another animal altogether. It has runners and is a more difficult boat to sail. The 30 does not have runners but it does have a carbon spar that must be set up correctly or you will break it. Make sure the owner shows you the tuning guide and you USE the Loos Tension Guage for the espected wind.
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woops! can't seem to differentiate between 30 and 36. I stand corrected.
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Is this what you have in mind?

Is this what you have in mind?

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I'm sure other Forum Members will know how not to invert a mast....
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woops! can't seem to differentiate between 30 and 36. I stand corrected.
Well, if someone would lend ME one.... I'll write a review lolol
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I'm sure other Forum Members will know how not to invert a mast....
Those are Mumms, or so they are called today.

You don't have to worry so much about inverting the rig but the set up is funny, the spars seem to break down by the partners.

Review the tuning guide and set it up properly.
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Thanks everyone. I d/l'd a tuning guide from North Sails that talks about all the angles and such. Interestingly above 15 kts you "don't" sail ddw. Good to know - LOL.

In "bar" sailing last night some other members are saying go for it and have fun too. It's being described as an oversized dinghy by some. I can deal with that. Watch the angles and the stability. We definitely won't push hard.

We'll go if we can scare up a crew of at least 4. As far as extra bits of string I am a lot less intimidated after looking at the layout. Not too bad. I think our boat has more strings on it.

Regarding sailing other people's stuff. It's a big concern of ours and we have talked about it extensively. The owner sincerely wants it used, we think it would be fun, but breaking something is always a possibility. He knows that (he's been sailing and racing for 40 years) and we know that. What I want to do is reach some sort of accord with him if this becomes a regular thing. i.e. we'll pay his insurance, mooring and maintenance or something. He's not the kind of guy that would want that but if he understands our concern we'll find a common ground.

I'd love to have him on board as well. He's in his 60's and really bought the boat for his son's who are competitive racers as well but they don't have the time for this boat on a regular basis either.

I'll let you know hoo it goes...
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Believe it or not we couldn't scare up 4 people to take the boat out. Our regular 3rd had a brunch to attend, keeping peace in the house, and most of the other folks were tied up with our J24 nationals and cat racing <sigh>

Anyway we took relax Lah out in fantastic 20-22 knot conditions and trailed the J24 fleet around. Beautiful weekend.

Saw the Mumm owner last night and he called us chickens for not taking the boat out. Chickens? Now the gauntlet is down - LOL.

Stay tuned, next weekend is another day...
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