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Old 31-05-2014, 18:05   #61
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Re: Should A Non Eu Boat Sail Across The Atlantic To Sail The Med

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Don't think what so? Don't think you can get longer tourist Visa's for European countries individually? Don't think one can alternately spend time in Schengen and non Schengen countries?

It's just as Double Whiskey stated. There are multiple types of Visas and those that may work for short term visitors may not for others. I just hope that no one is discouraged from visiting Europe or other parts of the world by Visa issues. Sometimes it's worth also turning to an expert in the field to get Visa assistance. Some of the visa and passport companies are quite good.

And I don't claim it is simple or straightforward. It must be carefully planned.

When you have successfully applied a d got these " wondrous " visas come back to us and explain, cause you will be the first !

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When you have successfully applied a d got these " wondrous " visas come back to us and explain, cause you will be the first !

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Well, that will be a couple of years. And we will likely alternate periods in Schengen countries and out of them, spending time in the UK, Croatia, and Turkey. While tourist visas are deemphasized, some of the countries still grant them. Now the problem with some countries is that once you exceed 90 days they require you to also obtain residency.

My advice to anyone desiring to go and feeling Schengen is too restrictive would be to engage a Passport and Visa service (professionals in the field, not the ones who just process paperwork).

France is one of the countries that does offer a longer visitor's visa:

1. Long stay visa and residence permit in France
Starting June 1st, 2009, long stay visa holders will be allowed to reside in France for up to 12 months according to the validity of their visa and purpose of stay. They will no longer be required to obtain a residence permit ("carte de séjour") from the French local authorities ("Préfecture") as long as their visa is valid.

However, long stay visa holders who intend on staying in France for more than six months have to register to the French Office of Immigration and Integration (OFII) during the first three months of their stay in France.

2. What is a visitor visa?
The "visitor" visa (or visa "D") allows you to enter France and stay for more than three months.

You need a long stay "visitor" visa if : you have suffficient income to stay in France without working (retired, sabbatical year…)


That is from: Long stay visa for visitors - Consulat Général de France à Miami

So, I don't profess to have all the information, but I do know some of the countries will grant longer term. I knew of France because a neighbor just got back from a 6 month trip to France. So I won't be the first although I am hoping Schengen has changed by the time we go to avoid needing other visas.
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Re: Should A Non Eu Boat Sail Across The Atlantic To Sail The Med

I'm curious what's wrong with a route like:
From Morocco
(In schengren) 3 months between Spain, France and Islands
(Out of schengren) 3 months in Tunisia
(IS) 3 months in Italy
(OS) 3 months between Croatia and Montenegro
(IS) 3 months in Greece
(OS) 3 months in Turkey
Rinse and repeat hitting different stops along the way back?

By my math, that's 3 years in the Med. Sounds like fun to us...

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I'm curious what's wrong with a route like:
From Morocco
(In schengren) 3 months between Spain, France and Islands
(Out of schengren) 3 months in Tunisia
(IS) 3 months in Italy
(OS) 3 months between Croatia and Montenegro
(IS) 3 months in Greece
(OS) 3 months in Turkey
Rinse and repeat hitting different stops along the way back?

By my math, that's 3 years in the Med. Sounds like fun to us...

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Nothing at all wrong with that and if that gets boring you can still take three months to the UK.
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Nothing at all wrong with that and if that gets boring you can still take three months to the UK.
We lived in the UK for 4 years, 3 months is not enough time to enjoy it again and to catch up with friends We'll be there for awhile!

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Re: Should A Non Eu Boat Sail Across The Atlantic To Sail The Med

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I'm curious what's wrong with a route like:
From Morocco
(In schengren) 3 months between Spain, France and Islands
(Out of schengren) 3 months in Tunisia
(IS) 3 months in Italy
(OS) 3 months between Croatia and Montenegro
(IS) 3 months in Greece
(OS) 3 months in Turkey
Rinse and repeat hitting different stops along the way back?

By my math, that's 3 years in the Med. Sounds like fun to us...

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I think it has to do with cruising within season. We'll arrive in august, have three months in, and then need to be out for nov, dec, jan...this is still winter and not a great cruising time as I understand.

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I think it has to do with cruising within season. We'll arrive in august, have three months in, and then need to be out for nov, dec, jan...this is still winter and not a great cruising time as I understand.

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Take the winter months as your break and enjoy some land adventures in non Schengen countries. When we go, we plan on flying home for the worst winter months.
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Take the winter months as your break and enjoy some land adventures in non Schengen countries. When we go, we plan on flying home for the worst winter months.

We are visiting friends in South Africa for a month, but besides that, the funds don't allow any more jetting around... I don't want to go back to work too soon.
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All This talk about winter in the Mediterranean being so bad has me laughing.

As if 60s in winter is such a bad thing...?

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Trick question.
I am an Aussie but also an Irish citizen, so an EU citizen.
But ireland is not in the Shengen agreement.
So can I stay as long as I like or does the agreement apply to me too?
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All you will need is an Irish Passport, then you are an EU citizen and the problem goes away. Could be a solution to you USA types, most seem to claim Irish ancestry!
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Trick question.
I am an Aussie but also an Irish citizen, so an EU citizen.
But ireland is not in the Shengen agreement.
So can I stay as long as I like or does the agreement apply to me too?
only down side of the using the irish passport is you will be eligable to pay vat on your yacht,even if it has australian registration.
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[QUOTE=MBLittle;1553979]All This talk about winter in the Mediterranean being so bad has me laughing.

As if 60s in winter is such a bad thing...?


it is not the cold it is the winds and the fronts that come down across and make a mess of the med
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Take the winter months as your break and enjoy some land adventures in non Schengen countries. When we go, we plan on flying home for the worst winter months.

we did -- we travelled over most of tunisia -- but we are not rich and need to keep a few $$ available to go back to the usa and visit my son -- but as many full time liveaboards know the kids can only put up with a cruiser for so long and we miss the boat to much - so 2-4 weeks is it -- oh and stock up on boat parts --
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Welcome to the world. In 16 years we have experienced visa, CAIT, bribery, problems around the world. We were arrested in Indonesia for being overdue no act of god there. Australia was the pits, we were treated like potential criminals and tracked everywhere. Its diplomatic quid pro quo. Look at what the USA imposes on us "aliens." The problem now is that Europe is one big amorphous mess. As soon as England can re-gain it's independence and get out of this mess you will be most welcome.
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