The Cost of Sailing / Cruising

[bangkaboat]

Originally Posted by MarkJ

Theres the one error.

'Man'. 'What does a man need'

Thanks, but I am in love. I have a woman and I want to keep her. To do that I have to make sure she is comfortable and happy.

Apart from that if she doesn't wash she smells so I need running water, heads, shower etc.

She sometimes cooks for me so I give her a good kitchen to lord over.

She is good in bed so I only have beds built for 2 - she can't escape.

Her cooking sux so I need money for restuarants.

and, finally,

I drink beer so I need refrigeration.





Mark

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Throw your paradise in our faces. No, really, go ahead!
More pictures of bikini-clad women, please!

[MarkJ]

Originally Posted by bangkaboat

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Throw your paradise in our faces. No, really, go ahead!

OK.
Photos below of recent encounter. Look at how courageous Nic looks!
sorry about pic quality.

[John A]

rusky,
The enviornment is sadly changing. In the eastern Caribbean and the Bahamas, as a singlehandler sailing a Cabo Rico 38, it was not uncommon for someone to ask me what type of work experience I'd had before going cruising. A couple of times I was asked about my college education. This was from the "two year vacation" cruisier types from the east coast of the US.
Those of us out cruising for personnal satisfaction didn't worry about such things.
regards John

[osirissail]

>>>The enviornment is sadly changing.<<< Oh! it is so true! After several years of being a regular at the Georgetown Regatta in the Bahamas - by some strange quirk of fate I was being talked to by the "insider's circle". Some days later I heard the "insider's circle" discussing setting up rules and regulations for cruiser behavior at the regatta. Now these are people who are not citizens of the Bahamas, they are visitors like you and me and they are going to publish rules? I upped anchor and left as quick as I could to never return. Slowly but surely as you say, things are changing.
- - The old time swashbucklers, independents, and what I call the "local characters of cruising" are being overwhelmed by the masses of upper middle class "normal people" in their fancy cat's and home appliance loaded monohulls (with washing machines on board). What is the cruising world coming to? There are still plenty of "worldly cruisers" still around but they are feeling to pressures of "not having" the extra do-dad's and condo-comfort extra's and spit and polish yachts.
- - And the real "characters" with their totally white "santa" beards, beat up sandals and rum-stained shirts are few and far between. I do notice lately that they seem to be heading for places like Guyana and Cumana. Maybe too many of us have been blabbing about what the life is like out here. Shush now, keep it quiet or we will be pushed totally out more hordes of yuppies on a two year sabbatical.

[Keegan]

Originally Posted by osirissail

>>>
- - The old time swashbucklers, independents, and what I call the "local characters of cruising" are being overwhelmed by the masses of upper middle class "normal people" in their fancy cat's and home appliance loaded monohulls (with washing machines on board). What is the cruising world coming to? There are still plenty of "worldly cruisers" still around but they are feeling to pressures of "not having" the extra do-dad's and condo-comfort extra's and spit and polish yachts.
- - And the real "characters" with their totally white "santa" beards, beat up sandals and rum-stained shirts are few and far between. I do notice lately that they seem to be heading for places like Guyana and Cumana. Maybe too many of us have been blabbing about what the life is like out here. Shush now, keep it quiet or we will be pushed totally out more hordes of yuppies on a two year sabbatical.

Cat owners can be nice too! Please be careful with the stereotypes because they cedrtainly do not apply to all. Are you really going to act/feel differently towards someone who has a washer on board because you happen not to Hell, if you dinghy over a beer we would be doing a load of clothes for ya
Just last year I was sailing my cat around with a rum stains all over my shirt! Scallywags sail all types of vessels, cats included.

[Vic de Beer]

Originally Posted by osirissail

>>>The enviornment is sadly changing.<<< Oh! it is so true! After several years of being a regular at the Georgetown Regatta in the Bahamas - by some strange quirk of fate I was being talked to by the "insider's circle". Some days later I heard the "insider's circle" discussing setting up rules and regulations for cruiser behavior at the regatta. Now these are people who are not citizens of the Bahamas, they are visitors like you and me and they are going to publish rules? I upped anchor and left as quick as I could to never return. Slowly but surely as you say, things are changing.
- - The old time swashbucklers, independents, and what I call the "local characters of cruising" are being overwhelmed by the masses of upper middle class "normal people" in their fancy cat's and home appliance loaded monohulls (with washing machines on board). What is the cruising world coming to? There are still plenty of "worldly cruisers" still around but they are feeling to pressures of "not having" the extra do-dad's and condo-comfort extra's and spit and polish yachts.
- - And the real "characters" with their totally white "santa" beards, beat up sandals and rum-stained shirts are few and far between. I do notice lately that they seem to be heading for places like Guyana and Cumana. Maybe too many of us have been blabbing about what the life is like out here. Shush now, keep it quiet or we will be pushed totally out more hordes of yuppies on a two year sabbatical.

Well now,.... Seems like my feeling of "cliques" of those ... shall we say.... more affluent cruisers.... is not totally unfounded.
Seems to me like the notion of "selected ones" does exist and is alive and thriving in the those areas that are more accessable to those folks who want to enjoy cruising from the comfort of their airconditioned sailboats.

Believe me, I don't begrudge those who have "it", any of their share of the planet, I just find it kinda sad that the "local" ecconomies are being determined by wealth of the visitors, and, unbeknowst to them, they set the bar for all those who are yet to get there to also enjoy that part of paradise..... those who may not be in the same income bracket.
By setting those certain requirements, through their indirect (or maybe direct) input, certain locations have become tourist spots for the affluent only..... and when the traditional cruiser makes an appearence, is made to feel uncomfortable, not by his experience, but by the type, or size of his boat and by the amount of money he/she is willing to part with.........

[MarkJ]

Originally Posted by Vic de Beer

Seems like my feeling of "cliques" of those ... shall we say.... more affluent cruisers.... is not totally unfounded.

Well, all I can advise is for you to read my lats post:

the people who judge because of a persons worth "oh, you are richer than me" or visaversa can go F@#$% themselves as they are wankers.

Stop being a wanker.

The only cliques are the ones you impose in your own mind.

I have never been with a more egalitarian mob than the bunch of crusiers I have met in our 18 months at sea.

Mark

[osirissail]

- - Apologies if I offended anyone - I did not say that Cat owners are not nice or friendly - although you might be careful about advertising the washing machine, you might be inundated by scruffy monohull folks dropping bales of wash off on one of your pontoons. I even have a washer/dryer on my monohull and have done wash for folks on smaller vessels.
- - I was just bemoaning the loss of the real "characters" that ply the seas with their converted "lifeboats", tri-marans, and old wooden schooners and barks. They are very colorful in a nostalgic way. All of this was prompted by a recent concert at the Horny Baboon here in Grenada put on by a couple off a "converted lifeboat" who have circumnavigated - gosh knows how many times. The group attending the concert would have made Jimmy Buffet jealous of his early "pirate" days in Key West. The music was good but he entertainment was in the collection of post-ancient mariners in attendance. "Us modern" folks are just too normal . . .

[Keegan]

Originally Posted by osirissail

- - Apologies if I offended anyone -.

No offense taken

[John A]

I've gone over to monohalls to exchange greetings and the couple onboard has told me that they can't open their hatches because their AC is running! Different types of people sail in all kinds of boats.

Maybe a new thread could be started about why long-term cruisers nolonger visit the Virgin Islands due to the bare boat charter crowd.
John A

[Don Lucas]

"wankers" - I love you down under people :-)

don't know what this means but I bet most of my guesses would fit close enough

[Therapy]

Originally Posted by Don Lucas

"wankers" - I love you down under people :-)

don't know what this means but I bet most of my guesses would fit close enough

It is great to be able to curse in a foreign language on the forum.

[surfingminniwinni]

Originally Posted by Don Lucas

"wankers" - I love you down under people :-)

don't know what this means but I bet most of my guesses would fit close enough

Umm put it this way, its Australia's national pastime. Wanking that is.

[Ex-Calif]

Originally Posted by Kratch

What I have learned from these threads has been, when I finally start out, I will establish a budget, but I will have the funds available to double that budget, thus, if I fail to meet that budget, I will not be left short, and if I succeed, I will double my sail time (or simply return with next years budget already saved).

That's a great plan, especialy if you plan to cruise with a wife. Well, my wife anyway.

She manages to double my budget all the time...

[Talbot]

Originally Posted by Ex-Calif

That's a great plan, especialy if you plan to cruise with a wife. Well, my wife anyway.
She manages to double my budget all the time...

That is a very generous attitude, does she know that you have offered her services

I have the same attitude, very happy for anyone to go cruising with my (ex) wife.