Selecting an offshore PFD

[ErBrown]

Howdy Folks,

I'm planning to start doing some crewing in the Texas gulf and as a result am evaluating my first serious PFD purchase. I think I'd like a good offshore inflatable (possibly hydrostatic) with an integrated harness. It needs to be comfortable enough for all day wear.

I've been contemplating a couple from West Marine below.

WEST MARINE Hydrostatic Inflatable Life Vest with Harness | West Marine

MUSTANG SURVIVAL Deluxe Automatic Inflatable Life Vests with Harness | West Marine

I'm willing to pay for for good quality but was curious if these seem like a good option or if I should be looking for other features?

Hoping for some guidance from those of you with personal experience.

Thanks,
EB

[captainstubbie]

I have both the above plus an sosuspenders... have a Spinlock too...The most comfy of all. Spend the $$ and try the one you choose out in the water to see how it functions.

What say you?

[Snore]

There have been several conversations about these devices. IMHO they are as effective as "utters" on a goldfish without crotch straps. There have been several fatalities from the vest sliding off.

[Jonna]

I don't know about the other brands, but all the different Spinlock versions I've seen don't even have an option without the crotch straps.

[ErBrown]

The spinlock option looks nice but seems very pricey for something that's not USCG approved. Am I missing something there?

[captainstubbie]

Yes, my spin lock has crotch straps. I keep an extra USCG topside to avoid that issue if I was ever stopped and checked.

What say you?

[sdrformariners]

Definitely get a PFD with a crotch strap, otherwise it will come off in an emergency.
Did not say what kind of crewing...
Only buy SOLAS-approved lifejackets - will be higher quality, dual chamber CO2, if you're loaded add beacons etc.
Comfort and harness attachment is VERY important, if it is a pain you won't be wearing it.
If you get the jacket in a shop try on several, they buy the most comfy one.
Ahh, and whilst you're there buy two extra CO2 cartridges, the first thing when you get home should be to try out the lifejacket. You'll need to replace the cartridges, and remember, equipment you're not familiar with / don't know how to use is just paperweight, so try out the jacket, light, whistle etc.
Note that if you go overboard only your head will be visible, so if ending up in the drink is a possibility carry handheld VHF w/ GPS, torch and green laser.

Here is an example: K2 275N - Twin chamber - Ocean Safety Ltd

Or an another supplier

http://www.lifejackets.co.uk/categor...-ce-iso-and-mc

[u4ea32]

IMHO and experience, do NOT get an automatically inflating jacket. When it gets really wet, it will automatically open. So when you wash off some spaghetti sauce, when you hang it in a wet locker with wet foulies, when you get nailed on the foredeck, when you are in a tropical downpour, you get the surprise of an explosively inflating life jacket.

Sounds good, cost more, works poorly underway, especially in conditions you might actually wear it.

IMHO and experience, the best, by very far, are the jackets that use a thin layer (.1 or .2 inch) closed cell foam for insulation. While not approved by bureaucrats, they work much, much better in practice, especially in conditions you want to wear a PFD, and especially when you actually end up overboard.

[svmariane]

Originally Posted by u4ea32

IMHO and experience, do NOT get an automatically inflating jacket. When it gets really wet, it will automatically open. So when you wash off some spaghetti sauce, when you hang it in a wet locker with wet foulies, when you get nailed on the foredeck, when you are in a tropical downpour, you get the surprise of an explosively inflating life jacket.

Sounds good, cost more, works poorly underway, especially in conditions you might actually wear it.

IMHO and experience, the best, by very far, are the jackets that use a thin layer (.1 or .2 inch) closed cell foam for insulation. While not approved by bureaucrats, they work much, much better in practice, especially in conditions you want to wear a PFD, and especially when you actually end up overboard.

Not quite accurate anymore.... Found this just today, USCG approved Type III PFD:

Stearns Windward Flotation Coat - Stearns | Fisheries Supply

HOWEVER, it is Type III, NOT a Type I offshore style PFD.

Buyer/user beware.

Just a thought, but.... That jacket might serve well as something to wear whilst underway offshore, then don a'top that your Type I PFD w/built-in harness according to your judgement. {Sort of like reefing.... the old "If you're thinking about putting on the PFD then it's definitely time to don it."}

James


ps: Remember rule #1: Stay on the f'ing boat!

[Jerry Woodward]

This video makes a good case for a crotch strap and spray hood.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNfXMLG5pI4

[Jerry Woodward]

On the other hand, to quote Voltaire: "Don't let PERFECT be the enemy of GOOD-ENOUGH".

With respect to pfds, I thought this quote from the USCG web site was interesting:

• How would you tell someone to safely cross the street? Would you be remiss if you didn’t warn them to look out for objects falling from the sky, like airplane and satellite parts? After all, things can fall out of the sky and kill you; however, the probability is very low. A pedestrian is much more likely to be struck by a car when crossing the street than by falling objects. Likewise, one is much more likely to drown while boating due to not wearing a PFD than wearing one with inadequate performance for conditions which occur only occasionally, and only at places and times that most boaters know to avoid. Additionally, the very best performing PFDs ever made, Type Is, provide only a small increase in probability of survival over a Type III PFD.

[Jerry Woodward]

How about this one?

• On sale from Defender for $207.00

• Hydrostatic, so it shouldn't be susceptible to unintentional inflation due to splashing.

• Integrated harness and a crotch strap can be added for $12.00.

http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?...067&id=2686758

[u4ea32]

Actual experiences with mustang style floatation jackets:

The sleeves prevent the jacket from coming off, even if completely unzipped when the person goes overboard at racing speeds. Its easy to zip up once in the water.

The insulation in the sleeves is buoyant, making swimming and treading water and getting a line thrown at you much, much easier after a minute or so in the drink.

The color on the sleeves is substantially easier to see than the color of suspenders.

The buoyancy all around, instead of only on the chest, makes a huge difference to the ability of the person in the water to observe and act. Rescues are MUCH easier when the person in the water can do some coordinated movement to help their recovery.

The insulation all around is very important. Moving arms causes blood to be pumped from the core to the arm muscles. If the arms are uncovered, heat loss is rapid, leading to very rapid loss of strength, and loss of ability to swim, tread water, grab a line, or even raise ones arms to wave. When the arms stop moving, the person in the water drowns. Ask any lifeguard.

Again, this has been my experience.

[ErBrown]

So, I really appreciate all the guidance.

I'll definitely go with something with crotch straps. In fact I'm really leaning towards the 170N version of the Spinlock 5D with the hydrostatic inflator. I know some folks are against auto inflator since they used to trigger in spray etc... From my reading it seems like the technology has gotten better and the fact that this unit has to be submerged 10cm to trigger seems like a good option, but I'm open to experience to the contrary. From my perspective, it seems like this life jacket includes just about everything I could need (light, line cutter and pocket for PLB or VHF/GPS). It's definitely a bit pricier than I was originally planning for but I don't see that as a major obstacle. I will definitely purchase a rearming kit, but do most folks actually trigger the inflatable vests to test them, or just fill them via the oral inflator?

Silly question but lets assume your going to crew for some coastal and offshore racing/recreational sailing, would you bring your own tether and handheld VHF/GPS?

Just wanting to ensure I'm being practical about this.

[rockDAWG]

Originally Posted by ErBrown

I know some folks are against auto inflator since they used to trigger in spray etc... From my reading it seems like the technology has gotten better

That is NOT the reason people prefer the manual system. I prefer it because when the boat is capsized and you trap inside, I don't want my life vest inflate until I am ready to come up.

As a matter of fact, I don't even wear life vest any more even I have two. I only wear safety harness and tether at all time especially when soloing. But that is just me.

Originally Posted by ErBrown

Silly question but lets assume your going to crew for some coastal and offshore racing/recreational sailing, would you bring your own tether and handheld VHF/GPS?

Of course, I trust my own gears. I usually bring my own chart plotter and personal SAT tracker, knife, flash light. Not so much for portable VHF.