Cone poll

[dangerfield55]

Sorry that was supposed to be a web search question not a post. Col regs apply outside the international water way demarcation and inland rules inside of that demarcation.

[dangerfield55]

Col regs apply to what waters

[Montanan]

Originally Posted by dangerfield55

Col regs apply to what waters

Hey, Twice roger that Dangerfield. Kind of like a repeated butt dial of a phone, except the answering party doesn't get to listen to the conversation your having when you call.

As to international rules, vessels flying the flags of states ratifying the international treaty are bound to the Rules. Amendments are adopted from time to time.

There being international waters to which the international colregs are applicable and then there are inland & country specific waters to which country specific rules apply.

By way of example, copied from the USCG: https://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pdf/navRules/navrules.pdf

International Rules
The International Rules in this book were formalized in the Convention on
the International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea, 1972, and
became effective on July 15, 1977. The Rules (commonly called 72
COLREGS) are part of the Convention, and vessels flying the flags of states
ratifying the treaty are bound to the Rules. The United States has ratified
this treaty and all United States flag vessels must adhere to these Rules
where applicable. President Gerald R. Ford proclaimed 72 COLREGS and
the Congress adopted them as the International Navigational Rules Act of
1977.
The 72 COLREGS were developed by the Inter-Governmental Maritime
Consultative Organization (IMCO) which in May 1982 was renamed the
International Maritime Organization (IMO). In November 1981, IMO’s
Assembly adopted 55 amendments to the 72 COLREGS which became
effective on June 1, 1983. The IMO also adopted 9 more amendments
which became effective on November 19, 1989. The International Rules in
this book contain these amendments.
These Rules are applicable on waters outside of established navigational
lines of demarcation. The lines are called COLREGS Demarcation Lines
and delineate those waters upon which mariners shall comply with the
Inland and International Rules. COLREGS Demarcation Lines are contained
in this book.

International: RULE 1
Application
(a) These Rules shall apply to all vessels upon the high seas and in all
waters connected therewith navigable by seagoing vessels.
(b) Nothing in these Rules shall interfere with the operation of special
rules made by an appropriate authority for roadsteads, harbors, rivers, lakes
or inland waterways connected with the high seas and navigable by
seagoing vessels. Such special rules shall conform as closely as possible to
these Rules.

Inland Rules
The Inland Rules in this book replace the old Inland Rules, Western Rivers
Rules, Great Lakes Rules, their respective pilot rules and interpretive rules,
and parts of the Motorboat Act of 1940. Many of the old navigation rules
were originally enacted in the last century. Occasionally, provisions were
added to cope with the increasing complexities of water transportation.
Eventually, the navigation rules for United States inland waterways became
such a confusing patchwork of requirements that in the 1960’s several
attempts were made to revise and simplify them. These attempts were not
successful.
Following the signing of the Convention on the International Regulations for
Preventing Collisions at Sea, 1972, a new effort was made to unify and
update the various inland navigation rules. This effort culminated in the
enactment of the Inland Navigational Rules Act of 1980. This legislation sets
out Rules 1 through 38— the main body of the Rules. The five Annexes
were published as regulations. It is important to note that with the exception
of Annex V to the Inland Rules, the International and Inland Rules and
Annexes are very similar, but not exactly the same, in both content and format.
The effective date for the Inland Navigation Rules was December 24, 1981,
except for the Great Lakes where the effective date was March 1, 1983.

Inland:
RULE 1
Application
(a) These Rules apply to all vessels upon the inland waters of the United
States, and to vessels of the United States on the Canadian waters of the
Great Lakes to the extent that there is no conflict with Canadian law.
(b)
(i) These Rules constitute special rules made by an appropriate
authority within the meaning of Rule 1(b) of the International
Regulations.
(ii) All vessels complying with the construction and equipment
requirements of the International Regulations are considered to be in
compliance with these Rules.

Colregs are not to be confused with Pool Rules.
For example:
1) All adults entering the pool must be accompanied by and under the supervision of at least one child.
2) Peeing is permitted only in the peeing section of the common pool.

[Montanan]

As to the use of motoring cones. Yep use them whenever I fall behind the other boats in the Yacht club's sailboat races, particularly when the wind dies down, or have to otherwise tack to go to the windward marker. To heck the the Colregs, one doesn't want to be called a cheater when I cross the finish line first in all classes.

[capt jgw]

Originally Posted by Tillsbury

Whether others know what it means doesn’t change your duty to fly it. I find it interesting that you seem to imply you don’t need to use one because you feel others don’t know what it means, but then you make the same point about the diver flag. Are you suggesting that people shouldn’t bother flying it because there are idiots around who don’t recognize it?

It’s in the colregs, along with lights. End of story. However, it is useful to bring it up on a regular basis so that newbies who might have replied “what’s a cone” are alerted to its meaning.

The reason a lot of people don’t bother with it, IMHO, is that it appears to voluntarily give up what some skippers believe to be their “rights” in colregs situations. But it doesn’t, as a good read of plenty of threads on here will make clear. It changes your (and the other vessel’s) obligations, but only inasmuch as to make them clear. Failing to fly one if one is required would certainly count against you should there ever be a significant incident. Note that you don’t need to be involved in the incident — it could be a result of a sizeable ship taking evasive action that they didn’t realise they didn’t have to take.

Showing the cone, ball, lights, whatever, won't keep the idiot from hitting you. But it will assist you in sueing the crap out of him later. Or at least get all or most of the blame put on the other vessel.