Alternative Boat Defense

[downunder]

re knocking heads with fall. Potentially lethal.

well known NZ catamaran designer Malcom Tennant died from a fall when gardening at home I believe.

[SurferShane]

Wonder if you can adapt an M16 so they can launch a similar nerve gas missile before the clip runs out. I fired those guns in Army Cadets and buggering around shooting on instinct was one shot off a perfect score. Using the pressure system to launch a rocket would have been the ultimate finale. Great thing too is that you have no real control over the grenade release. They just fly off and indiscriminately hit whatever you are aiming at when the system hits pressure.

I note, I have no intention whatsoever of having either firearms or chemical weapons onboard my boat!

[four winds]

That pic is actually an airsoft bb gun. For what it's worth.

pressure system?

[SurferShane]

Originally Posted by four winds

That pic is actually an airsoft bb gun. For what it's worth.

Yes - apparently a take of an M4 and a lot less harmful than the real ammunition we were firing off on the range. I gather most “pirates” are likely to respond with Soviet designed weapons with real bullets and missiles?

The only thing that really freaks me in my steel boat is the thought of having them respond with armour piercing rounds!

[SurferShane]

Originally Posted by four winds

pressure system?

From what I can remember on a real M16 the bolt action builds up pressure in a gas system until the gun is ready to launch the missile or grenade. There is NO separate trigger.

[four winds]

The m16 uses direct gas impingement on the carrier to cycle the bolt to load the next round. This gas is bled off from a hole in the barrel that is exposed to gas pressure after the bullet passes it on the way out.

The grenades are launched in the apparatus below the barrel, m203 model. It does have a separate trigger as can be seen in the airsoft replica pictured, which fires a buttload of bbs all at once. The m16 grenades have their own cartridge and powder propellant which launches the projectile and expels the the empty case manually upon opening to load the next grenade. So launching a grenade is actually a controlled action by someone properly trained.

Clips are actually called magazines. Clips are a cartridge holder that goes completely inside the firearm like the infamous Garrand of WW2 fame.


Here's one of from my collection. An early model civilian semi automatic Colt SP1. Looks like a Vietnam era m16. It has gone up in value 400 percent since I've owned it for 20 years.

[SurferShane]

Originally Posted by four winds

The m16 uses direct gas impingement on the carrier to cycle the bolt to load the next round. This gas is bled off from a hole in the barrel that is exposed to gas pressure after the bullet passes it on the way out..,,,,,,,

All I know is that the M16’s felt nice to hold and shot straight. Maybe exactly why they were issued to the youthful conscripts in post WWII conflicts? Even at 13 I had no problems handling this weapon. Nowadays they won’t let the kids in Cadets near the things or their contemporary equivalents. I suppose it is back to paintball (or even video games) in a strictly controlled environment remembering there are people out there with real guns?

Oh - they never did go to the expense of letting us use those telescopic sights. Like my boat it was pure manual labour.

[four winds]

You are very correct about the light weight and easy handling AR/m16, especially the early models. They are quite accurate with a fast 22 caliber bullet.

It was developed using aerospace methods by a division of Fairchild Aviation called Armalite. (AR=Armalite Rifle) This after the design was purchased from Gene Stoner, the original designer. Colt put it production for the military and the Air Force was the first to adopt this model.

Many in the Army during Veitnam still preferred the 30 calibers, like the M14, and Garrand though they were much heavier and a soldier could carry much less ammo.

Humping guns and ammo through the jungle was why they specified a 22, lightweight rifle for the new battle rifle.

Early problems with the m16 caused it to have a bad rep, and actually got many GIs killed before they figured out what was happening.

It's forged aluminum with very close tolerances, which is why it likes to be cleaned well.

[SurferShane]

Hey – imagine that; when you pull out your paintball gun some kid seconded on the “pirate” boat and barely approaching puberty shoots you straight between the eyes using a combat designed SLR?

I was actually watching a movie where a couple of Moroccan herder’s youngsters were entrusted with a 303 to fend off wolves decided to take pot shots at tourist bus and got in a direct hit. Luckily the bus did not return fire and it was an inadvertent “Accident”. Not that in the long-run it that helped the herder and his family, especially in today’s panic about terrorism and piracy. Maybe the movie was just a bit too real?

[SurferShane]

Originally Posted by four winds

You are very correct about the light weight and easy handling AR/m16, especially the early models. They are quite accurate with a fast 22 caliber bullet.

223? - Not overly powerful, but it takes more to remove the wounded from the battle field? Hopefully cruising isn’t going to become a setting for similar war games?

[four winds]

yes, .223 inches in diameter. The bore is ~.220 inches measuring the lands of the rifling, and the grooves are ~.223 inches or so.

It is referred to as 22 caliber as a nominal nomenclature.

This .003 inch fit is what grips the bullet and forces it to rotate as it travels down the barrel in order to stabilize it in flight.

[bigpuff]

slocom and tacks still agood one.I was doing a delivery from lumot(malaya)to aust.stopped at malaka port[last yachtin malakaport,put a big bridge over the entranse]went shore for ameal and a beer,got dringking with thi malay sailor who ended up being a top name pirate in the area;several dringks later he wrote out a pass for me to transet the malaka straits uninpedded.Im glad i never had to use it.Im not realy sure what the morrell of this story is but i dont thingk a gun is the way to go(thay will allways have abigger one)may the wind allways blow from the aft quarter

[muskoka]

True story. I chased off a couple of Triad guys who were trying to tilt a commercial dispute in their boss's favour. My weapons of choice were a mobile phone, a 20" piece of teak and an attitude. I photographed them and emailed it onwards then proceeded to physically escort them from the building. No physical contact at all. I think they weren't too keen to go physical with a 6'3" gweilo, but I'm sure the emailed photographs made it even less appealing to get heavy.

About a month later we went to court on the commercial dispute and won. Never saw Mutt & Jeff again.

The point being that even with motivation, most confrontations don't get physical and a bit of savvy is worth more than 20" of teak.

[SurferShane]

Originally Posted by muskoka

. My weapons of choice were a mobile phone, a 20" piece of teak and an attitude...,,,

The point being that even with motivation, most confrontations don't get physical and a bit of savvy is worth more than 20" of teak.

Wow, I had a bad Saturday a few weeks ago; uncontrollable child going in one direction after letting the dog off the boat that ran exactly the opposite way. Gotta admit I got a bit frantic and said a few unkind words to the walker who let my dog follow theirs into the distance then the onlookers who thought the thing was some sort of stage show. I coped everything from threats to ring the RSPCA (Animal welfare) to others taking photos of me carrying the kid back onto the yacht (noting it is illegal to take such photos without permission).

I nearly settled when some hero on a paddle ski decided to intervene when I was giving the daughter a stern lecture about here behaviour. I was finally that pissed off I confronted “Mr politically correct” for an even sterner dressing down. Being best part of a foot shorter than him he kind of went a bit pale when he tried to hit me with his paddle and I stepped straight into him ready to seize his own weapon and turn it on him.

While I am really hoping the whole incident was a bit out of character for me, I am also wondering what would happen if you ran into some student’s of my Sensei? On a brighter note one of the founders of the particular style of Okinawan karate is a riot police officer. Maybe they just don’t train thugs?

Other point is I really wish a lot more people had that “savvy”; better not to either start a fight or be silly enough to be dragged into one. Likewise, it really does matter how you approach a situation. My grandfather was a doorman and he was so proud that he only had to man-handle one idiot. Apparently when he went to throw him out (literally) he missed and put him through the wall. Then again, I am glad to say that since my particular event I have had a relaxing couple of weeks onboard.

[muskoka]

Originally Posted by SurferShane

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While I am really hoping the whole incident was a bit out of character for me, I am also wondering what would happen if you ran into some student’s of my Sensei? On a brighter note one of the founders of the particular style of Okinawan karate is a riot police officer. Maybe they just don’t train thugs?

Other point is I really wish a lot more people had that “savvy”; [B]better not to either start a fight or be silly enough to be dragged into one.

I'm a master in Llap-Goch, so even if they'd gotten physical I'm sure I could've managed. And in the eventuality that they were well trained henchmen I'm pretty sure I could outrun them - me being a good 6" taller.

But in truth, there aren't many locals in this part of the world looking to tango with 6'3" of Anglo bolshieness. Far easier to collect an $8. "parking fee" in front of the local seafood restaurant.

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