Cruisers Forum
 


Reply
  This discussion is proudly sponsored by:
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on Cruisers Forums. Advertise Here
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 09-07-2016, 18:46   #1
Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Toronto area when not travelling
Boat: Nonsuch 30
Posts: 1,670
'Field guide' to cordage

It used to be a lot simpler when there were relatively few types of line available. Now there so many, multi-coloured lines available. Has anyone seen a guide that helps you identify the type of line from its appearance? I am thinking about something like a question-based app, where you start with a question and then branch to another question and another until you have identified the line and are given its characteristics. For example the first question might be whether it white or white with a coloured tracer. If no, the next question could be whether it is predominantly red or not ...
__________________
Have taken on the restoration of the first Nonsuch, which was launched in 1978. Needs some deck work, hull compounding, and a bit of new gear.
AiniA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-07-2016, 20:37   #2
Moderator
 
Adelie's Avatar

Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: La Ciudad de la Misión Didacus de Alcalá en Alta California, Virreinato de Nueva España
Boat: Cal 20
Posts: 20,590
Re: 'Field guide' to cordage

That doesn't work, manufacturers can use any color line with whatever colored chasers they want. Since there is a monetary incentive to cheat there is no agreed upon color coding as far as I know.

To know what you've got you need to test samples. I've looked into this and found 2 papers/sites dealing with identifying cordage.

One was in relation to identifying adulterated nylon. In the tug industry this is a serious issue since tow lines are carefully picked to deal with the intended load. Unscupulous line suppliers can reap a significant dividend using other cheaper fibers such as polyester or polypropylene. Because of the differing elasticities the aldulterated line is weaker despite what you might think from their relative strengths. The test this paper had was to boil some water in a pan with black Ritt dye in it and soak a frayed end of the line (white obviously for this test) sample. Nylon fibers will absorb the color and most other artificial fibers won't. This only works for nylon.

The other info source used a burn test with observation of the burning fibers to determine what they were. There were some secondary tests that could also be used that were more involved. I'll try to refund my sources.

Sorry there doesn't seem to be a better way.


A house is but a boat so poorly built and so firmly run aground you would never try to refloat it.
__________________
Num Me Vexo?
For all of your celestial navigation questions: https://navlist.net/
A house is but a boat so poorly built and so firmly run aground no one would think to try and refloat it.
Adelie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-07-2016, 21:34   #3
Registered User
 
UNCIVILIZED's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Up the mast, looking for clean wind.
Boat: Currently Shopping, & Heavily in LUST!
Posts: 5,629
Re: 'Field guide' to cordage

To some degree, it helps if you get copies of the product catalogs from the major cordage makers, going back a decade+. Ditto on doing the same from the bigger chandleries & rigging shops. As the catalogs contain both tech info on the various cordage, as well as on the materials used to make them. Plus the color coding of lines X, Y, & Z, for various years of production.
The caveat being that with modern materials, cordage easily lives for several decades, typically only meeting it’s demise through long term UV exposure, or more often, due to abrasion (internal & external).

Another way to learn more about line types, as well as what to use when & where, is to take a class or two on splicing, or rigging. Brion Toss’s shop has them, as do plenty of other yachting learning centers. And you could even talk a rigger into putting on some informal ones for you, or you & a few friends. With proper reimbursement of course.

The third way, is plain old experience with the lines & materials. Be that experience yours, or from a few local racers who have a lot of exposure to the various lines. As after a while, it becomes easy to ID most lines on sight; both via their cover & cores. And if not that way, then by feel, & or burn characteristics. Usually their char or melt temperatures, & how the various lines smell when burned. Each type of material is unique in these ways, & usually pretty easy to ID.

Also, if you frequent one chandlery or rig shop regularly, you might ask them if they’ll assist you in identifying what some of your lines are. As they try to keep regular customers happy; to boost return business, & to boost their reputation of quality service, via word of mouth.

Ah, I almost forgot. But the last time I asked, Samson ropes was happy to ID rope samples for me, were I to send them in. As many years ago, I had some question about some Amsteel Blue that I’d bought, since it’s diameter was a good bit larger than the nominal spec for that size of line. So, try emailing & or calling some of them to see what they say, in addition to getting their catalogs. Back issues included.
__________________

The Uncommon Thing, The Hard Thing, The Important Thing (in Life): Making Promises to Yourself, And Keeping Them.
UNCIVILIZED is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-07-2016, 23:15   #4
Registered User
 
Alan Mighty's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Moreton Bay
Boat: US$4,550 of lead under a GRP hull with cutter rig
Posts: 2,141
Re: 'Field guide' to cordage

Fibres Guide | How to Identify synthetic fibres in Ropes | TTI Tools & Guides
__________________
“Fools say that you can only gain experience at your own expense, but I have always contrived to gain my experience at the expense of others.” - Otto von Bismarck
Alan Mighty is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
[SOLD] 5/8" & 1/2" Cordage / Line / Rope SuperV Classifieds Archive 0 07-02-2015 07:15
Cordage Idylles15.5 General Sailing Forum 4 26-11-2012 20:48
Understanding Cordage bbhflts Deck hardware: Rigging, Sails & Hoisting 4 21-06-2010 07:59
CORDAGE Question gbanker Deck hardware: Rigging, Sails & Hoisting 13 17-12-2007 23:12
Anchoring Technology - Yale Cordage GordMay Seamanship & Boat Handling 27 29-10-2005 16:00

Advertise Here


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 19:21.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.