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Old 01-11-2015, 00:28   #301
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Re: Fresh water makers best price and performance?

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Actually stuM I think he said it correctly amps per hour due to the fact of already stating the quantity at a1 gallon per hour.
See, that's the problem when people use sloppy wording all the time. People misunderstand what they are talking about.
Once more: Please read the linked post.

He stated it wrongly.
He could have said:

The Amps for that for that should be pretty darned good.
or
The Amp hours per hour for that should be pretty darned good.

and been correct, but Amps per hour is a measure of the change in rate of current flow. 1 Amp per hour means that your Amperage is 1 higher at the end of an hour, 2 higher at the ned of two hours etc...

On a constantly running water maker, the Amps per hour (i.e. the rate of change in Amps) would be effectively Zero.
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Old 01-11-2015, 01:57   #302
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See, that's the problem when people use sloppy wording all the time. People misunderstand what they are talking about.
Once more: Please read the linked post.

He stated it wrongly.
He could have said:

The Amps for that for that should be pretty darned good.
or
The Amp hours per hour for that should be pretty darned good.

and been correct, but Amps per hour is a measure of the change in rate of current flow. 1 Amp per hour means that your Amperage is 1 higher at the end of an hour, 2 higher at the ned of two hours etc...

On a constantly running water maker, the Amps per hour (i.e. the rate of change in Amps) would be effectively Zero.
Funny part is you keep trying to fix what ain't broke everyone else seems to understand what he said and inferred with his post just like everywhere else you have shown everyone else your book learning and it seems to be centered on " proper labels for power usages " .
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Old 01-11-2015, 01:03   #303
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Re: Fresh water makers best price and performance?

Here's a better idea for a solar power still don't know the output but it uses 0 ah
How to Make a Solar Still - DIY - MOTHER EARTH NEWS
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Here's a better idea for a solar power still don't know the output but it uses 0 ah
How to Make a Solar Still - DIY - MOTHER EARTH NEWS

I think every cruiser should be able to fashion a still for emergency use- as well as be able to divert rainwater into tank.
But I imagine a still would put out 1-2 gpd at most. The real estate for a still would likely yield a fraction of output of same area solar + watermaker, right?


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Re: Fresh water makers best price and performance?

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I think every cruiser should be able to fashion a still for emergency use- as well as be able to divert rainwater into tank.
But I imagine a still would put out 1-2 gpd at most. The real estate for a still would likely yield a fraction of output of same area solar + watermaker, right?


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Yes a solar panel and water maker would yeald more water per'sq ft of space used on a vessel also there are several plans on the web on making colapsable'solar stills for water desalination there is even a commercially available unit for emergency use.
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I always like to look at the comparisons. As my Mom used to say "The devil is in the details" or the numbers in this case. First, to be fair, Katadyn hasn't made the 35e for a long time. It is now the 40e, which can also be operated manually in emergencies.. The 40e produces 1.6gph using 2.5 amp so slightly more efficient. Of course these numbers simply double for the 80e which is a better comparison to the 20 lph unit. The 80e is still slightly more efficient than the 20lph unit. But to be honest these power numbers are so small in difference to not really mean much of anything in the real world and the types of boats these small units would be installed in. But even these power numbers are quite high when compared to a Spectra 150. Katadyn offers a three year warranty, I didn't notice on a cursory glance what H2O on the Go offers. The Katadyn 40e and 80e are going to be more money to be sure. But they've been around a lot longer than most watermaker companies. I only wish the very best for any small company, but I've been in this business for a long time. I've seen a lot of new watermaker companies come and go. The usual theme for many of them is "We can build and sell it cheaper" This is a very tough business model to maintain for the long run in the watermaker business. I know I spend a lot more time in phone calls, service, repairs, and hand holding, than I do in sales. Something for both the customer and new business to consider when trying to save a dollar.


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I guess if people want to pay double because someone has been in business for a while I guess that is their prerogative, I agree watermarks are an expensive purchase.

I did do my research and H2O on the Go has been in water makers for 5 years now so that is long enough to work out the kinks in my book, and if they can make them half the price, thats brilliant.

Lets face it at the end of the day there is not much in a water maker, they are dead simple units, not complicated equipment. All the parts in the H2O on the Go systems are just standard RO parts that can be purchased pretty much anywhere in the world.

The pump in the 110/240v is made by general pump USA (5 year warranty) and the pump in the 12v is made by Pumptec USA (1 year warranty).

I did my homework before purchasing 2 machines and found that the parts they use are the same as those used by most RO manufacturers all over the world.

I asked why they are half the price, whats the catch, and they said it is because they refuse to have a distribution network, they manufacture and sell direct.

Talking direct with the manufacturer and not some reseller who may or may not of even used a water maker (not saying this is you Tellie) is a great bonus. My machines are not out of the box types of machines I had a number of changes made, another bonus of dealing direct with manufacturer.

So I would not write them off so quickly as a new company that can not stay in business with these prices. And as for hand holding ring them 7 days a week and they will spend an hour on the phone or Skype with you no problems at all, for me they actually made me a few videos as my unit was not their standard unit so was slightly different from their manual. They are worth a look I recon.
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Re: Fresh water makers best price and performance?

Tellie sounds like you hit a nerve with them their post sounds a bit like a service provider specificly of the h2o on the go units.
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Tellie sounds like you hit a nerve with them their post sounds a bit like a service provider specificly of the h2o on the go units.
Nope Newhaul defo not a service provide of any type. just a retired hippy, a super happy H2O on the Go customer and sharer of knowledge the people can read or not.
Sent them this thread told them they should do some advertising here and speak for themselves.
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Re: Fresh water makers best price and performance?

Has anyone tried one of these with a pressure saltwater pump.

http://cdn6.bigcommerce.com/s-ygmfm/...0.1280.JPG?c=2

http://www.filteredwatersolutions.co...verse-osmosis/

If so, do they work?
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Those are fresh water RO, which is not the same thing as sea water Desalination RO. Fresh water RO uses tap pressures of around 45-65psi. But sea water desal RO needs pressures around 800psi to overcome the osmotic pressure and force fresh water through the membrane.
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Re: Fresh water makers best price and performance?

Just curious about "H20 to Go". It is unusual for a fellow cruiser/post to pick a handle that is the same as a company name that markets to cruisers unless said poster actually is related (distributor, spouse, owner, employee) to said company. Perhaps it's just a coincidence.
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Just curious about "H20 to Go". It is unusual for a fellow cruiser/post to pick a handle that is the same as a company name that markets to cruisers unless said poster actually is related (distributor, spouse, owner, employee) to said company. Perhaps it's just a coincidence.
I would say that coincidences are fairly rare MD...
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Does anyone have any experience with the Ecosistems unit that seems to be manual? I am looking for manual only options (hate the engine, small boat so limited solar array area, enjoy the exercise, low water needs and wants), and it would be nice to have another option.
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