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HHNTR111 · 29-10-2009, 09:47

The Webasto on our (new to us...) boat draws about 15 amps...feels like a lot. is that what others have observed? What does the Espar draw?

witzgall · 29-10-2009, 10:49

15 amps continuously, or when the glow plug is operating? You should be able to see the specified draw in your user manual.

Chris

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Originally Posted by HHNTR111

The Webasto on our (new to us...) boat draws about 15 amps...feels like a lot. is that what others have observed? What does the Espar draw?

HHNTR111 · 29-10-2009, 14:15

That might be the problem...no fuel, because the fan runs and there is no heat produced. I checked the manual, and the draw is measured in watts. If there is no fuel to the glow plug, I guess it stays lit, since there is no combustion. It would have been nice if the manual had pointed that uout, makes a lot of sense.

Pete the Cat · 29-10-2009, 16:56

I would second the vote for forced air, diesel. Have a Wallas Forced Air Diesel Heater which I have had for 15 years. None of these units is maintenance free. In that time I have learned to rebuild mostly everything on it. They are very simple devices and really make cruising a lot more comfortable and extend the season when it gets cool in places like San Francisco. Here in Maine it I consider it essential. I even used it to dry out the boat when I spent a couple years in Central America. Toasty and Dry.

Cheechako · 29-10-2009, 15:14

There should be default codes on the little black box...

sailvayu · 29-10-2009, 15:52

What every you use, it needs to be rated for marine use and have ventilation if it uses fossil fuel. I lost a good friend to CO poisoning years ago while he was using a propane heater designed for an RV. This is not something to fool around with. He went to sleep and simply never woke up

If you have shore power I would recommend a reverse cycle AC unit. Very safe and work well. Anyone using a heater that burns anything should have a working CO monitor and check it often. You may not get a second chance, if you have ever seen a friend carried out of his boat in a body bag you would understand.

Wayne Canning, AMS
projectboatzen.com

Christian Van H · 29-10-2009, 16:17

Just curious...Why would you go for a Webasto forced air over a Hydronic system?

S/V New Sensation · 30-10-2009, 07:46

I have both a Webasto Hydronic system and a Dickenson Antartic and like them both. The Antartic is a great heat but on a boat my size tends to overheat the main saloon while the cabins and the head stay cool to cold. The Webasto draws power but heats the water in the water tank and by routing the hoses through the various lockers helps with keeping the boat warm and dry. I had the small Espar hydronic on our Catalina 38 and it worked well by running the hoses under the floor. It was amasing how much warmer the boat felt with a warm fiberglass floor.

Sailabel · 30-10-2009, 08:35

I think most would agree that given the space and $$, an installed forced air or hydronic (each have their advantages) is the ideal way to go.

The poster asked for opinions on three cabin heaters. When we purchased ours, we researched the advantages of diesel vs. propane, as well as the various size/btu outputs. For us, we chose the Dickenson P1200 (propane) for our Tayana 37. No regrets. It draws combustion air from the outside and vents to the outside. No contribution to moisture. Just good dry heat. We cruised in the Pacific NW all year round... even below freezing outside, we could keep the cabin at 70 degrees. A key for us was to keep a couple of fans on, to circulate the air. Even though the Dickenson has an internal fan, we use a small fan to the side of the stove circulating air around the stove and chimney area. A second fan (used sometimes) just to move air forward to the v-berth area.

We enjoy the ambience of the visible flame. Creates a 'home-like' feeling down below... even better with the kerosene lantern burning on low.

As a side benefit, my wife used to use the fireplace as a hair dryer (not now... we're in Mexico and a bit too hot).

I like the fact that we can leave the fireplace on all night (yes, our boat is equipped with propane, CO, and smoke detectors), and with the fans off, it draws no electrical power.... and minimum power with fans on.

A pic of our installation is here: http://sailvictoriarose.com/images/C...%20Reading.jpg

Best of luck on your research and final choice of heaters.

Steve

Rex Delay · 30-10-2009, 13:53

We have a Dickenson propane fireplace. Love it. No current draw, burns outside air, works very well in 36' boat. Just make sure you mount it low. Also had Dickenson diesel fireplace. Cranks out more heat than propane but a bit finnicky to light.

Northeaster · 30-10-2009, 16:27

Rex (or others) - Did you find the Dickenson Diesel Fireplace had much of a diesel smell in the cabin, or was it not an issue?
I have a large diesel tank, and smallish propane tank, so leaning that way!

Rex Delay · 30-10-2009, 17:17

No smell that I remember. Only issue was lighting it, had to do it right or smell or carbon issues. Do not know if the newer ones have the double wall chimney like the propane ones but the diesel put out about 13,000 btu. Turned my 30' into a sauna very quickly.

29-10-2009, 16:56	#4
Pete the Cat Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Maine and California Boat: Tartan 37 "Velera" Posts: 105	I would second the vote for forced air, diesel. Have a Wallas Forced Air Diesel Heater which I have had for 15 years. None of these units is maintenance free. In that time I have learned to rebuild mostly everything on it. They are very simple devices and really make cruising a lot more comfortable and extend the season when it gets cool in places like San Francisco. Here in Maine it I consider it essential. I even used it to dry out the boat when I spent a couple years in Central America. Toasty and Dry. __________________ Ray Durkee S/V Velera Tartan 37 Castine, Maine

29-10-2009, 16:17	#7
Christian Van H Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Princeton, NJ Boat: Challenger Anacapa 42 Posts: 1,206	Just curious...Why would you go for a Webasto forced air over a Hydronic system? __________________ Here's to swimmin' with bowlegged women! "There's nothing . . . absolutely nothing . . . half so much worth doing as simply throwing money at a boat."

30-10-2009, 08:35	#9
Sailabel Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Home Base: Seattle; Currently Cruising in Mexico Boat: Tayana 37- Victoria Rose Posts: 95	I think most would agree that given the space and $$, an installed forced air or hydronic (each have their advantages) is the ideal way to go. The poster asked for opinions on three cabin heaters. When we purchased ours, we researched the advantages of diesel vs. propane, as well as the various size/btu outputs. For us, we chose the Dickenson P1200 (propane) for our Tayana 37. No regrets. It draws combustion air from the outside and vents to the outside. No contribution to moisture. Just good dry heat. We cruised in the Pacific NW all year round... even below freezing outside, we could keep the cabin at 70 degrees. A key for us was to keep a couple of fans on, to circulate the air. Even though the Dickenson has an internal fan, we use a small fan to the side of the stove circulating air around the stove and chimney area. A second fan (used sometimes) just to move air forward to the v-berth area. We enjoy the ambience of the visible flame. Creates a 'home-like' feeling down below... even better with the kerosene lantern burning on low. As a side benefit, my wife used to use the fireplace as a hair dryer (not now... we're in Mexico and a bit too hot). I like the fact that we can leave the fireplace on all night (yes, our boat is equipped with propane, CO, and smoke detectors), and with the fans off, it draws no electrical power.... and minimum power with fans on. A pic of our installation is here: http://sailvictoriarose.com/images/C...%20Reading.jpg Best of luck on your research and final choice of heaters. Steve __________________ Steve Abel SV Victoria Rose, Tayana 37 www.sailvictoriarose.com

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29-10-2009, 09:47	#1
HHNTR111 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Rowayton, Ct. Boat: Cambria 46, Starlight Posts: 26	The Webasto on our (new to us...) boat draws about 15 amps...feels like a lot. is that what others have observed? What does the Espar draw?

29-10-2009, 14:15	#3
HHNTR111 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Rowayton, Ct. Boat: Cambria 46, Starlight Posts: 26	That might be the problem...no fuel, because the fan runs and there is no heat produced. I checked the manual, and the draw is measured in watts. If there is no fuel to the glow plug, I guess it stays lit, since there is no combustion. It would have been nice if the manual had pointed that uout, makes a lot of sense.

29-10-2009, 15:14	#5
Cheechako Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Skagit City, WA Boat: Fellippi 32 Posts: 2,205	There should be default codes on the little black box...

29-10-2009, 15:52	#6
sailvayu Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Wilmington, NC Boat: Irwin 40 Posts: 98	What every you use, it needs to be rated for marine use and have ventilation if it uses fossil fuel. I lost a good friend to CO poisoning years ago while he was using a propane heater designed for an RV. This is not something to fool around with. He went to sleep and simply never woke up If you have shore power I would recommend a reverse cycle AC unit. Very safe and work well. Anyone using a heater that burns anything should have a working CO monitor and check it often. You may not get a second chance, if you have ever seen a friend carried out of his boat in a body bag you would understand. Wayne Canning, AMS projectboatzen.com

30-10-2009, 07:46	#8
S/V New Sensation Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Accross the Sound from Seattle Boat: Tanton (CT), 44, New Sensation Posts: 45	I have both a Webasto Hydronic system and a Dickenson Antartic and like them both. The Antartic is a great heat but on a boat my size tends to overheat the main saloon while the cabins and the head stay cool to cold. The Webasto draws power but heats the water in the water tank and by routing the hoses through the various lockers helps with keeping the boat warm and dry. I had the small Espar hydronic on our Catalina 38 and it worked well by running the hoses under the floor. It was amasing how much warmer the boat felt with a warm fiberglass floor.

30-10-2009, 13:53	#10
Rex Delay Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Banff, AB; Nanaimo, BC Boat: Sceptre 36 Posts: 50	We have a Dickenson propane fireplace. Love it. No current draw, burns outside air, works very well in 36' boat. Just make sure you mount it low. Also had Dickenson diesel fireplace. Cranks out more heat than propane but a bit finnicky to light.

30-10-2009, 16:27	#11
Northeaster Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Nova Scotia, Canada Boat: Seafarer 30 Impetuous Posts: 276	Rex (or others) - Did you find the Dickenson Diesel Fireplace had much of a diesel smell in the cabin, or was it not an issue? I have a large diesel tank, and smallish propane tank, so leaning that way!

30-10-2009, 17:17	#12
Rex Delay Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Banff, AB; Nanaimo, BC Boat: Sceptre 36 Posts: 50	No smell that I remember. Only issue was lighting it, had to do it right or smell or carbon issues. Do not know if the newer ones have the double wall chimney like the propane ones but the diesel put out about 13,000 btu. Turned my 30' into a sauna very quickly.