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Old 26-04-2012, 18:07   #31
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I don't give a damn... I'd only pass through this ***** hole on a delivery... got nicer place's to sail to in my boat...
Sounds like you still have a hangover from Jedi's hospitality.
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Old 26-04-2012, 19:53   #32
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The main reason that yacht clubs fell into neglect and disrepair is that their members were mostly boatowners in the US military. When I stayed at Pedro Migual yacht club for three plus months in 2001, membership had been reduced to 35 fulltime members.
The yacht clubs were a reminder of the oppression felt by many locals toward the privledged, many who owned boars and were allowed to transit the canal free.
A taxi driver explanined to me that "Yankee Go Home" worked. After some quite thought, he continued, "we never stopped to think that when the Yankee went home that they'd take their money with them.
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Old 26-04-2012, 20:20   #33
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No...not dirt cheap and you're right...the final bill will probably be $1200 or better. But if you're cruising for, say, 36 months and your cruising is around $1200 a month anyways, dosn't it only represent less than 3%? I plan on a small income while I'm doing this. Being solo (thus far) I would just hold up, work a little and go.
Yep. I know you are right. Cheaper than going via the Magellan's (let alone that I would not in my boat).

I think what really puts me off is the mixture of having to pay and the attitude of their administration.

What a pity Americans did not simply blew up a huge gap there instead.

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Old 27-04-2012, 07:20   #34
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Yes, yes! Great ideas - blow it up, fill it in! That will show them whose boss.

That is a fine and righteous position for US citizens to take! Not arrogant or stupid at all. After all, no one in the US requires or uses the canal. We don't do any world wide shipping or require any imports from other countries. And we prefer to go around the horn as long as we get the chance to throw our might around and "hurt" others first.

After all, the canal is in "America", so it must be ours.

And the French should blow up or fill in the Suez. It is their right to do so.

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To steer this back on track and away from the mudslinging...

One thing that must also be considered is the minimum speed requirements for transit. They expect you to be able to hold an average 8kt speed. Neither of the boats I took through could hold is speed and we spent the night in Gatun Lake. This was back in 93 and 97.

This adds extra cost as you pay for your "pilot". This is typically deducted from your deposit.

Ah sure, I'm not telling you anything you don't know and anyway this is one of the topics that noonsite.com stays right on top of.

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http://www.noonsite.com/Countries/Panama

And more specifically with details

http://www.noonsite.com/Members/sue/R2012-03-14-3/

Question: has anyone transited in a single day? I have done 4 and haven't made it in a day. Also is the freshwater yacht club in the lake still there?
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Yep. Exactly.

How much would it cost to truck a boat Tex to Cal?

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Waaaaay more than the canal toll.
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Waaaaay more than the canal toll.
Pita. Still, if I can afford this, I will probably do so. Even if the Panama is cheaper.

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Pita. Still, if I can afford this, I will probably do so. Even if the Panama is cheaper.

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Sounds like a win win to me.

Both you and Panama will be overjoyed>
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Pita. Still, if I can afford this, I will probably do so. Even if the Panama is cheaper.

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Why would you spend money for no reason instead of going through the canal?
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Sounds like a win win to me.

Both you and Panama will be overjoyed>
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Now that I have already been charitable towards the people of Panama I think it will be fair trade to spend some of my hard earned cruising credits in Texas and California. After all, we all believe in balanced development.

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Why would you spend money for no reason instead of going through the canal?
Do you want to imply I spend no money if I go via Panama?

;-)

The canal sucks big way: there is plenty of criminality ashore, administration is unkind and unprofessional, boats get damage on transit, order is lacking, facilities are inadequate. I only used it because I have a small boat and the canal was the cheapest option to get from the Atlantic into the Pacific.

But cruising kitties may change and so may our choices.

I try to follow my own adage: If you do not like a place, go somewhere else.

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Do you want to imply I spend no money if I go via Panama?
No, only saying you would be spending less. I was just curious if you were willing to spend more just to "spite" panama?

I would agree with that you say about panama, except I found it the admin to be very professional and ordered. But I went through before and during the transition to Panamanian hands so can't say what it is like now.

Oh, and the last boat I took through, a lagoon cat was damaged as it was tied alongside an over enthusiastic tug who didn't think about his wash as he buried the throttle on one of the locks and moved more sideways than forward and detached all of our cabinets on the port hull...
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To steer this back on track and away from the mudslinging...


Question: has anyone transited in a single day? I have done 4 and haven't made it in a day. Also is the freshwater yacht club in the lake still there?
I stayed at the freshwater yacht club, Pedro Migual, for almos 4 months in the fall of 2001. It was down to 35 members at that time. Sadly, it has closed. The docks were witnin two hundred yards of the final lock on the Pacific side, and the backwash from the new tractor-tugs silted in the area around the docks. The remaining members could not persuade the APC to drege the area and the yacht club had to close.

I finished my transit from this club in one day. Indeed, if you begin your transit from the Pacific side at day-break, you should be able to make it thru the canal in one day depending on the mix of ships going down on the Caribbean side. I had to tie-up to a large mooring bouy and wait 2 hours before going down at my scheduled time. Its about 50 miles, shorter if the advisor directs you to take two shortcuts, and I signed a form saying my boat could maintain 5 knots.

The locks operate one-way only and change direction every six hours, due to the narrrow Gatun Cut.
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(...) I would agree with that you say about panama, except I found it the admin to be very professional and ordered. (...)
We transited 2004. It was a horrible experience. The administration refused to communicate via VHF. The advisor did not come on time. The advisor refused to advise and asked us if he can go down below to have a nap. The office staff only very unwillingly processed our paperwork trying to steer us towards using an agent. The bank staff was unclear about how the refund will be done. The office stuff spoke ill of us, in our presence (sic!), to the agents.

Sometimes it sucks to speak the local language but look like you don't. ;-) !

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BTW our transit E to W with stop-over at Gatun Lake. 2 days.

The same for all the boats we transited on (we handled the lines for each other to gain experience) and all our friends back then also transited with the stop-over.

I did hear about boats going W to E in one day.

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