Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 01-09-2012, 12:58   #91
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: SW Florida
Boat: FP Belize, 43' - Dot Dun
Posts: 3,423
Re: New Anchoring Regs In FL Keys Up For Public Comment.

Quote:
Originally Posted by capn_billl View Post
Why would I want to pay $400.oo a month for a buoy to tie up to, when I can rent a month at a dock for about the same price?...and get electricity, and water, and pump out?
Not sure the location you're referring to. But, FWIW, a slip at Marina Jacks in Sarasota for a 43' boat would be over $1000/month. The same on a mooring would be $270.
__________________

__________________
DotDun is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2012, 06:20   #92
Registered User
 
denverd0n's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 3,948
Images: 6
Re: New Anchoring Regs In FL Keys Up For Public Comment.

Quote:
Originally Posted by DotDun View Post
Not sure the location you're referring to. But, FWIW, a slip at Marina Jacks in Sarasota for a 43' boat would be over $1000/month. The same on a mooring would be $270.
Wow! Move that 43' boat up to Gulfport Municipal Marina and it's only $390/month plus tax.
__________________

__________________
denverd0n is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2012, 08:19   #93
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 542
Re: New Anchoring Regs In FL Keys Up For Public Comment.

Wow, are these issues unique to FL? Sounds like locking up the head and putting an out of order sign on the door and having a porta potie is the way to go through FL waters.

What do they do if you don't have anything but a bucket to bail out the bilge?

I'm thinking now that a wooded scow with a cabin wouldn't be welcome. So much for American freedoms.

Can you even beach a boat in FL? I've always thought you could for 24 hours, if it wasn't posted/restricted.
__________________
Wavewacker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2012, 11:49   #94
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: SW Florida
Boat: FP Belize, 43' - Dot Dun
Posts: 3,423
Re: New Anchoring Regs In FL Keys Up For Public Comment.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wavewacker View Post
Wow, are these issues unique to FL?
Most places have a 3 mile limit of raw sewage discharge.

Marine Sanitation Devices | Vessel Water Discharge | US EPA

Florida FDEP Wastewater - Vessel Discharge

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wavewacker View Post
Sounds like locking up the head and putting an out of order sign on the door and having a porta potie is the way to go through FL waters.

What do they do if you don't have anything but a bucket to bail out the bilge?

I'm thinking now that a wooded scow with a cabin wouldn't be welcome. So much for American freedoms.
That's what MSDs are for.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wavewacker View Post
Can you even beach a boat in FL? I've always thought you could for 24 hours, if it wasn't posted/restricted.
I imagine most municipalities/parks have rules about beaching a boat (loading/unloading only). Outside of that, I don't think there are any rules.
__________________
DotDun is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2012, 13:46   #95
Registered User
 
denverd0n's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 3,948
Images: 6
Re: New Anchoring Regs In FL Keys Up For Public Comment.

Quote:
Originally Posted by DotDun View Post
Most places have a 3 mile limit of raw sewage discharge.
Just so it is clear to Wavewacker, that is for ALL of the coastal United States. It is in no way unique to Florida.

And, no, you can't just beach your boat overnight anywhere you feel like it. There are some places where you can do that, but they are relatively rare. And, once more, not unique to Florida, but true throughout the United States. (And most of the other places in the world that I know of).
__________________
denverd0n is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2012, 20:33   #96
Registered User
 
Celestialsailor's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: In Mexico, working on the boat
Boat: Hallberg Rassy 35. and 14ft.Whitehall pulling skiff.
Posts: 8,013
Images: 5
Re: New Anchoring Regs In FL Keys Up For Public Comment.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wavewacker View Post
Wow, are these issues unique to FL? Sounds like locking up the head and putting an out of order sign on the door and having a porta potie is the way to go through FL waters.

What do they do if you don't have anything but a bucket to bail out the bilge?
So much for American freedoms.

I'm not sure Freedom is having the ability to dump bilge water and waste overboard for the rest of the public to suffer with.
__________________
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming: Wow - what a ride!"

http://wwwjolielle.blogspot.com/
Celestialsailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-09-2012, 07:36   #97
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 3,949
Re: New Anchoring Regs In FL Keys Up For Public Comment.

The Keys anchoring ordinance has received approval from the FWC. Not sure when it will become effective--the county still has to adopt the ordinance. But, if you are in the Keys for awhile you should start getting receipts for your pumpouts. Thanks to a lot of behind the scenes work by a lot of folks, the ordinance was made much more reasonable compared to earlier proposals.
__________________
Kettlewell Cruising
Kettlewell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-09-2012, 08:15   #98
Senior Cruiser

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,594
Re: New Anchoring Regs In FL Keys Up For Public Comment.

Once a year all boats must go to certain locations to get their 'registration papers updated UNDER THEIR OWN power...Worked for SF houseboat squatters...Cleared out a lot of crap..
__________________
Randy

Cape Dory 25D Seraph
rtbates is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-09-2012, 11:50   #99
Registered User
 
capn_billl's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Houston,Tx
Boat: Maxum 37'
Posts: 1,587
Re: New Anchoring Regs In FL Keys Up For Public Comment.

Quote:
Originally Posted by rtbates View Post
Once a year all boats must go to certain locations to get their 'registration papers updated UNDER THEIR OWN power...Worked for SF houseboat squatters...Cleared out a lot of crap..

That is a law I could live with. It eliminates the cause of the new laws, (derelic boats), without affecting cruisers that are passing through,....unless they stay in one place long enough to fall afowl of the assault tax laws, (requiring local registration for out of state boats).
__________________
capn_billl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-09-2012, 13:33   #100
Registered User
 
Celestialsailor's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: In Mexico, working on the boat
Boat: Hallberg Rassy 35. and 14ft.Whitehall pulling skiff.
Posts: 8,013
Images: 5
Re: New Anchoring Regs In FL Keys Up For Public Comment.

Quote:
Originally Posted by rtbates View Post
Once a year all boats must go to certain locations to get their 'registration papers updated UNDER THEIR OWN power...Worked for SF houseboat squatters...Cleared out a lot of crap..
Yup...That's what they need in every harbor. It eliminates the 5% that make life miserable for the other 95%.
Squatters is a good name for them.
__________________
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming: Wow - what a ride!"

http://wwwjolielle.blogspot.com/
Celestialsailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-09-2012, 10:04   #101
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 21
Re: New Anchoring Regs In FL Keys Up For Public Comment.

Keys have been a no discharge zone for a long time now.....no change there other than putting the onus on the owner to prove they are good. Now remember pump out run from free to 5 bucks. Tax money goes to pay for equipment. This is only an issue if your derelict doesn't run. Even a sail only boat can get pumped by pump out boat. You can always use kitty litter and bring it ashore to a dumpster. No one wants to swim fish play in your waste.

Its a pity that anchor room has shrunk in KW and Boot Key but if Livaboards can't afford what seems to be reasonable fees for a mooring then perhaps drug use etc is eating up the cash. From what I can see it should be easy enough to make 1000 a month in KW to take care of one's self and boat.
__________________
ParidiseParrot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-09-2012, 16:07   #102
Registered User

Join Date: Sep 2012
Boat: 29 Roberts
Posts: 14
Re: New Anchoring Regs In FL Keys Up For Public Comment.

Is there a map of the off limits area for anchoring. I am going down there in about a week and again at the end of October so that would be helpful.

I've been living aboard for 2 and half years now. Started in St Augustine before the mooring field went in and have cruised a bit. Currently I am anchored near Cocoa Beach and had been told by city officials that I need to move my boat or they fine me and tow my boat and I was not allowed to sleep on my boat. I showed them the state laws and contacted Marinerbarr.org. Since then they backed off.

I don't like the way the pilot program is going. A friend mine who was thinking about putting his boat on a mooring in Titusville, FL after asking what happens if their mooring fails and his boat were to get loose, was told they are not responsible for his boat and he would have to pay for a replacement mooring, something like $2,000. I never heard of that before, maybe someone here can verify or deny that claim.
__________________
jrod321 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-09-2012, 17:03   #103
Registered User

Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: On the hook in Florida
Boat: Tayana V42 - Passages
Posts: 504
Re: New Anchoring Regs In FL Keys Up For Public Comment.

The fine print in the St. Augustine mooring field contract does say that if you break it you pay for it. I would not be surprised if all mooring field contracts had the same kind of language.

Will they enforce that, who knows.

John
__________________
Trying to live on 20th century money in the 21st century.
jcapo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-09-2012, 01:57   #104
Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Mobile, AL
Boat: Island Packet IP38
Posts: 50
Re: New Anchoring Regs In FL Keys Up For Public Comment.

We live here in Key West on our sailboat. I work for West Marine and talk to many of the boaters that both live here and transient. Anchoring in the Keys is very limited. You do see a lot derelict vessels hanging on a minimum anchor. During Issac several blew up on the beach. Our biggest fear in a storm is getting hit by a derelict boat that broke lose.
The problem with the pump out regs is that many of the facilities are self service when it comes to pump out. Here at Boca Chica we pump out our own boats either with a cart or over at the main dock.
My vote would be that vessels have to be seaworthy if they are anchored here. I don't like the floating pieces of junk that people just leave out permanently.
That being said, we find Key West very boater friendly. There are constantly a lot of people here staying on their vessels. There is a few causing all the problems.
__________________
Bucky205 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2012, 16:48   #105
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 21
Re: New Anchoring Regs In FL Keys Up For Public Comment.

Quote:
Originally Posted by denverd0n View Post
And, no, you can't just beach your boat overnight anywhere you feel like it. There are some places where you can do that, but they are relatively rare. And, once more, not unique to Florida, but true throughout the United States. (And most of the other places in the world that I know of).
Unless it was posted or marked almost all states have riptarian lands are public use Mass and some others specific areas aside. But most towns would prohibit beach camping otherwise the homeless would just move camps onto the beachs.
With the amount of good anchorages in Florida as well as Public Parks you will have no problem finding suitable cruising grounds.

IF you want to anchor for free and have Land access for free in a high density area in order to work a job you might have trouble. This attitude of living for free has caused the present laws because "free" liver's didn't take care of there responsibilities , discharged waste into the harbors. Think more crack house and less hippy commune.Not all but many and those that didn't were not proactive in getting rid of the issue.Many derelict boats were just abandoned dreams on "free" storage.

As for self serve pump out's? get someone to sign your log and put it your log yourself. Boat logs are legal documents and false statements in them are a crime. IF your in a free anchor spot in Key West then getting your pump outs verified is your punishment for not doing more to self police before it became to late.Did you even bother to attend the meeting on this?
__________________

__________________
ParidiseParrot is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
anchor, anchoring

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 03:31.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.