Marina outlaws rowing of dinghy's...

[JPA Cate]

For what it's worth, the heavily laden oar powered dinghy is at risk from people who cannot control their power boats (rich or poor), and since they let him come in and buy his water with a motor on the dinghy instead, I would think it is potential liability issues they want to avoid. Why doesn't someone just go ask the manager what is the reason for the rule? surely it is not a secret!

One time we were present when the Harbor Police in San Diego, ticketed the parents of a 12 or 13 yr. old Kiwi lad, who had sailed with his parents from NZ to the Solomon Is, where they bought him a little traditional canoe, and they came across the Pacific to Japan, Canada, and south, on their way home. He was paddling the canoe in the marina, without a life jacket on! No matter one of his jobs on the boat was shark patrol while his younger siblings were swimming. No matter he himself was quite a competent swimmer. Of course, the law's the law, and all, but I thought the cops should have cut the Kiwi visitors some slack.

Ann

[MaxEntropy]

I think it is more about safety. There are ferries that run in and out of there and you need to be able to get out of their way. Especially the one to Tortola. That thing races toward the dock and full reverses like Captain Ron to stop short and glide to a nice, gentle smash. If you need any provisions though, do yourself a favor and motor in because Tickles has great food and drinks plus the Gourmet Gallery( I know, why didn't they name it the gourmet galley???) is one of the best grocery stores on the island. Phenomenal cheese, wine and cigar selection.

[sailorboy1]

I like the idea

My boat has been hit a few times by the dinghies being rowed just has I'm been hit in the mooring field by the "super sailor" who feels it is ok to sail through boats in the field

[Pelagic]

Originally Posted by JPA Cate

For what it's worth, the heavily laden oar powered dinghy is at risk from people who cannot control their power boats (rich or poor)

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Ann, the rowboat occupants are at far greater risk of being killed by a Superyacht than the scratch of paint they would incur from the rowboat.

Some one mentioned COLREGS in this mix and in lawsuit slap happy USA, the ludicrous becomes the norm and that liability concern, not to mention common sense, was part of the Marinas good decision

This is like saying a guy with a kite has just as much right to fly his kite on a busy runway.

If you are the pilot, you have a much different view.

[Greg Mason]

Not knowing the marina, is it possible they just want to restrict boaters, or more likely free loaders from coming in to use services like water or garbage without paying? Way up here in BC, the year round liveaboard community, sometime referred to as derelicts, moor outside an establishment but come in for services offered free to moorage or paying customers, and it is frowned upon when services are scarce.

[flyingfin]

Makes it harder to steal an outboard, Favourite trick of thieves is to steal a dinghy without a motor, row into marina and steal outboard simply by taking it off any inflatable and mounting on transom. Coming out of a marina at night with two outboards on your dinghy is hard to explain!

[Taipe]

Long live the Fatty Knees!

[Calif.Ted]

Human Powered vessels are not addressed in the COLREGS, they just think they are the stand-on vessel. In my marina it's not uncommon for a bunch of clueless tourists to think the ferry has to stop for them as they paddle rented SUP's up the middle of the main channel.

[RogerD]

The Canadian version of the Collision Regs states:
"General Definitions — International

For the purpose of these Rules, except where the context otherwise requires:

• (a)
  The word “vessel” includes every description of water craft, including non-displacement craft, WIG craft and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a means of transportation on water."

i.e "vessel" includes rowed dinghy


"Rule 9
Narrow Channels — International

• ...
• (b)
  A vessel of less than 20 metres in length or a sailing vessel shall not impede the passage of a vessel which can safely navigate only within a narrow channel or fairway."

So, if the channel is that much trouble for their large customers to navigate, I can understand why they wouldn't want a slow, possibly difficult to control rowing dinghy impeding the channel.



Roger

[JPA Cate]

Originally Posted by Pelagic

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"Originally Posted by JPA Cate View Post
For what it's worth, the heavily laden oar powered dinghy is at risk from people who cannot control their power boats (rich or poor)"

Ann, the rowboat occupants are at far greater risk of being killed by a Superyacht than the scratch of paint they would incur from the rowboat.

Some one mentioned COLREGS in this mix and in lawsuit slap happy USA, the ludicrous becomes the norm and that liability concern, not to mention common sense, was part of the Marinas good decision

This is like saying a guy with a kite has just as much right to fly his kite on a busy runway.

If you are the pilot, you have a much different view.

Pelagic, pls. check my quote again, I did say the rower was at risk. However, I know the motor yacht is the stand on vessel over the dinghy when it is constrained in its ability to maneuver, and I have been the constrained one when a flock of sailing dinghies has come out using the whole fairway, and finally had to shout at them that I was constrained by depth, and to get out of the way. So they got a lesson about constrained in ability to maneuvre, and I got one in keeping my temper! But they have a right to be there, too, they're going out to race in the bay, and as soon as they can, they get out of the way. You can bet their parents have told them a zillion times that all of us will watch out for them, too. WHO EVER SAID LIFE WAS FAIR???

If I had a suggestion that might help, it would be to come and buy water with your dinghy at the low traffic hours, and if the marina says use your motor, then he should use a motor. Or borrow a dinghy with one for the trip, it would not be a big deal to help him.

It is we, each of us, who are responsible for keeping the cruising community a pleasant place, and so we must treat others in the way we would hope to be treated, according to local customs for guests, which makes it a little more complicated till you learn the shape of what that is.

Ann

[billknny]

Originally Posted by John L. Cwierz

Crown Bay Marina in St.Thomas VI with this is becoming very UNPOPULAR. You bet, I'm not gone touch it at all, even with a 4 ft. stick, I feel they stink.
So sorry about them.

I'll show them! I'm never going to use their free dinghy dock EVER!

Sanctimoniousness is so much fun to watch.

[dkenny64]

forgive me if missed something along the way.


they forbid rowing a dinghy to get water.. period...
no mention of other boats in the channel at the time
so even if its all clear. rowing isn't allowed..
save the rules.. sorry I forget the ## but avoid a collision...first priority..


ok..now my dinghy is a kayak..no motor..not an option..


am I allowed in the marina? hum? doesn't seem fair..


ok..I'm in a dinghy with a motor that isn't working great.
yep..got one..been there.. oars are the backup... so how does
marina rule on this?


yall seem to worried about he dinghy in the channel.. uh..unless the dinghy was crossing the channel..why does this matter.. the OP stated they ( oared dinghy) were band....everywhere or did I miss this??


all paddle boats banned.? I know this might NOT be US so some thinking is different..




-dkenny64

[Fidelity]

This post is so outdated it needed not to be reposted as a form of new news.

[Pelagic]

Surprised there are no
...up the creek.. Jokes[emoji1]

[billknny]

Originally Posted by JPA Cate

However, I know the motor yacht is the stand on vessel over the dinghy when it is constrained in its ability to maneuver, and I have been the constrained one when a flock of sailing dinghies has come out using the whole fairway, and finally had to shout at them that I was constrained by depth, and to get out of the way. So they got a lesson about constrained in ability to maneuvre, and I got one in keeping my temper!

In the COLREGS there are actually no such thing as "constrained in ability to maneuver."

Rule 9 covers vessels that are can only safely navigate in a narrow channel, and that privilege NEVER can be claimed by any vessel under sail or a vessel under 20 meters in length--no matter what her draft.

There are vessels that are "restricted in ability to maneuver", but that ONLY applies to vessels who are restricted because of the work they are doing (eg, buoy tenders, or dredges). A recreational vessel or cargo vessel can NEVER claim such a privilege under the rules.

Finally there are "vessels constrained by draft" (in the international rules, NOT in the USA inland rules) that might come close to applying to a large yacht entering a tight space in a marina.

Finally, there is the rule of common sense, that says if I am a row boat, I need to NOT be rowing around in a superyacht harbor. All those people who don't think it is "fair" seem to be missing common sense and have replaced it with a comical sense of outrage.

You don't have to have any sympathy for the owner of a 150 foot yacht, but do understand the problems faced by the Captain of such a vessel who needs to bring it into the slip with a cross wind, and a highly entitled rowboat in his way.