Coral Reef Status

[lestersails]

Originally Posted by Buster Brown

Let’s not forget theses gems:
A paper mask will stop you from getting or spreading Covid
The vaccine will prevent you from catching Covid
Only the unvaccinated can spread covid


Or theses:
Climate change will destroy the world in 12 years
Hurricanes are getting more intense because of climate change
Don’t buy waterfront property because soon it will fall into the ocean

This is a great post, much appreciated. Some really wonderful things about it.
First is when you don't like what someone says, you use the rhetorical technique of changing what they said into an absurd extreme to ridicule.
Second is the undercurrent of statistical illiteracy, which is variation of the impossible expectations fallacy. If a vaccine isn't perfect, it is useless.
Third is the 'never named' expert who said these things. These are mystical creatures who live in the minds of denialists and serve as imagined victims of the venom they wish to spew.

[Buster Brown]

Originally Posted by lestersails

If these people had anything scientifically valid to say, climate scientists would be all ears. But it is just ranting and trolling and should be ignored by people who actually know what they are doing and have important work to accomplish. Sorry, but them's the facts.

Again, nothing but attacks. Your arguments do not convince me, so I must be ranting and trolling. Sorry, but them are the facts.

[lestersails]

Originally Posted by RaymondR

There was a time when most scientists believed that fire was the result of a substance called "phlogistin" leaving a burning body. Then that damned "denier" Joseph Priestly went out and discovered oxygen and put a perfectly good theory to waste and threw the whole body of phlogistin theory into chaos.

Good sense of humor? It is a joke for a climate denier to claim the mantle of someone like Joseph Priestley. What denialists do and what Priestley did have exactly 0.0% overlap. One retards progress and knowledge and the other advances it.
So, you think Priestley discovered combustion by being untrained in science and taking uninformed potshots at other scientist's work? You might want to read up a bit more on him.

[Idaho]

https://www.livescience.com/1349-sun...th-worlds.html

https://www.heartland.org/news-opini...entists-report


Science is done by scientists.

Scientists are human.

Humans are not perfect, many have flaws.

Its interesting to note articles do exist that show reasonable and logical alternatives to ACC.

Sol is a variable star.

As Sol orbits the galactic core, it enters areas with less or more interstellar dust.

Those two facts point to an apostasy, if a scientist wants to keep her job, not be cancelled, she will toe the line and spout the orthodoxy.

Cancel culture has engendered mistrust in many circumstances. Cancel culture has not benefitted society in any material way.

Believe what you want. But at least try to have an open mind that things may not be what it seems, and you maybe are being manipulated to further an agenda that is unknown to you.

Humans are not perfect and too many are corrupt.

[lestersails]

Originally Posted by Idaho

https://www.livescience.com/1349-sun...th-worlds.html

https://www.heartland.org/news-opini...entists-report


Science is done by scientists.

Scientists are human.

Humans are not perfect, many have flaws.

Its interesting to note articles do exist that show reasonable and logical alternatives to ACC.

Sol is a variable star.

As Sol orbits the galactic core, it enters areas with less or more interstellar dust.

Those two facts point to an apostasy, if a scientist wants to keep her job, not be cancelled, she will toe the line and spout the orthodoxy.

Cancel culture has engendered mistrust in many circumstances. Cancel culture has not benefitted society in any material way.

Believe what you want. But at least try to have an open mind that things may not be what it seems, and you maybe are being manipulated to further an agenda that is unknown to you.

Humans are not perfect and too many are corrupt.

Paranoia, conspiracy theorizing, illogicality, cherry picking - a near perfect sweep of the denialist inventory. Everything you listed here says exactly zero regarding the validity of the scientific consensus on ACC. Zero.

[lestersails]

Originally Posted by Buster Brown

Again, nothing but attacks. Your arguments do not convince me, so I must be ranting and trolling. Sorry, but them are the facts.

ACC is supported by a mountain of evidence. Who cares about my arguments - I am instead directing you to that mountain of evidence.

Yes, well I try to be both constructive - giving actual information and explanation and alternately be critical. But when I do the former, it is just ignored, because of course, the denialist is an anti-scientist. Evidence means nothing to them, only their ideology and preconceived biases. So, the posters here ignore all serious attempts to explain and use evidence and just fall back on sniping. Because that is all there is to denialism.

[OutOfControl]

Originally Posted by Idaho

Believe what you want. But at least try to have an open mind that things may not be what it seems, and you maybe are being manipulated to further an agenda that is unknown to you.

Humans are not perfect and too many are corrupt.

Nail meet hammer

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Bycrick

Thousands of studies supporting X or Y gives one a level of confidence. One study proving it wrong is conclusive.

Cool. Wake me when someone finally publishes something that successfully disproves X or Y.

Originally Posted by Buster Brown

Let’s not forget theses gems:

... Lets not:

A paper mask will stop you from getting or spreading Covid
Nobody claimed that simple masks would protect the wearer from catching COVID. But basic paper or cloth masks are demonstrably effective at reducing the spray from an infected person. An 8 yr old can figure that part out. Basic masks work for other infectious diseases too. Witness the drop in influenza during the COVID measures in effect.

The vaccine will prevent you from catching Covid
Who claimed that... and for what variant? Yes, we didn't get to a vaccine with strong preventative effect. Yet. But the vaccines significantly reduced the severity for most people, which is a pretty big win.

Only the unvaccinated can spread covid
Who said that? If you get it (with or without symptoms), you can spread it. Period. Which is why basic masks have been effective in reducing spread.

Or these:
Climate change will destroy the world in 12 years
Distortion of a throwaway AOC quote.

Hurricanes are getting more intense because of climate change
Any Florideans wanna take this one? They've been bigger, slower moving, and they dump more rain.

Don’t buy waterfront property because soon it will fall into the ocean
O rly?

With the longest coastline of any mainland U.S. state, more money and time is spent fixing up Florida’s shores - widening and building dunes - than in any other state.

But after seven decades of rebuilding its beaches, the state is now struggling with sand shortages, rising costs and tight public funds even during calmer years. The quick succession of powerful storms makes the challenges even more daunting.

My guess is the people who believe this nonsense are the same ones that denied big tech was banning speech that didn’t support their narrative.

What narrative do these companies have?

Oh well. Nice to see that the old tales live on.



(... and folks, citing the Heartland Institute? Really? )

[Mike OReilly]

Funny… I just popped in to see what all the high-count post numbers were all about. Clearly not about coral reefs.

Great to see the voices of rationalism and reality countering all the mis and disinformation. You realize it’s a waste of energy and words, Lester, LE, and the other posters who are grounded in real world. But good on you for continuing to try. I just hope you’re having fun.

[OutOfControl]

Originally Posted by Buster Brown

Let’s not forget theses gems:
A paper mask will stop you from getting or spreading Covid
The vaccine will prevent you from catching Covid
Only the unvaccinated can spread covid


Or theses:
Climate change will destroy the world in 12 years
Hurricanes are getting more intense because of climate change
Don’t buy waterfront property because soon it will fall into the ocean

My guess is the people who believe this nonsense are the same ones that denied big tech was banning speech that didn’t support their narrative. Enter Elon Musk.

[Idaho]

Originally Posted by lestersails

Paranoia, conspiracy theorizing, illogicality, cherry picking - a near perfect sweep of the denialist inventory. Everything you listed here says exactly zero regarding the validity of the scientific consensus on ACC. Zero.

Actually, every bit of it is exactly focused on how the validity of that consensus is not actually valid. It is explained very clearly.

Perhaps focusing on what was said instead of your usual focus of casting denigrating aspersions, would be more enlightening to you.

[lestersails]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

Funny… I just popped in to see what all the high-count post numbers were all about. Clearly not about coral reefs.

Great to see the voices of rationalism and reality countering all the mis and disinformation. You realize it’s a waste of energy and words, Lester, LE, and the other posters who are grounded in real world. But good on you for continuing to try. I just hope you’re having fun.

Hi Mike - Long time no hear! Yeah, trying to fight the good fight. I do try to keep up some good spirits. It is the holidays after all - we sure as heck would not want to give the naughty posters coal in their stocking.
It may be naive - but hope lives eternal that if you just keep saying what is true, it will win out.
Stay well my good-tempered man.

[lestersails]

Originally Posted by Idaho

Actually, every bit of it is exactly focused on how the validity of that consensus is not actually valid. It is explained very clearly.

Perhaps focusing on what was said instead of your usual focus of casting denigrating aspersions, would be more enlightening to you.

You are advocating for a delusional mindset. An alternative existence where the pull of what you desire determines the reality that you perceive. Must be bleak in there.

It is really interesting to observe how presumably bright, presumably educated, presumably mentally healthy human beings can descend down these rabbit holes of conspiracy, delusion, illogicality, and just plain wackiness. Like posting a bogus poster of Al Gore. Seriously? That is a contribution to a debate? Is this a forum of adults who love boats or an elementary school playground?

[Bowdrie]

My posts have not been about the minutiae of Co2 percentages, but their MAY be other things that are more pressing in the shorter term.
Now this was ~4>5 months ago, so the timelines are probably off somewhat.
But they certainly won't be off anywhere near what the Eco cult has been telling us for over 50 years.
Grab some popcorn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7gAEkzIgvw

[RaymondR]

Experience informs us that once a person drinks the AGW/CC coolade it's terribly difficult to coax them back to rationality.