The Reason People Are Moving Away From Monohulls

[arsenelupiga]

I figured out answer !

"The Reason People Are Moving Away From Monohulls"

It is because when you get old enough, remove sail gear and get fully functional motor cat.

I dont think this can be done with mono.

Or simply keep mast for sportier image and motor 100%

[GTom]

Originally Posted by s/v Jedi

I'm sure those offshore cats would do great here:

Wow, I am not sure if my (otherwise quite seaworthy) stomach would do great there...

Originally Posted by davefromoregon

Is there anything smaller that that freighter that would do well in those seas?

Yup, submarines below 200'/60m (have never been on one, but while diving it's usually much calmer down there).

[Sandero]

I think Jim Cate makes some excellent observations. Charter companies are marketing vehicles for manufactures. Boats don't stay in charter too long... and I believe MOST are purchased by an absentee owner in a deal with a charter operator. After X years in charter the owner then takes the boat and does with it what they want... sail it or sell it. They get a reliable company to maintain it and they get guaranteed use during the charter period. The whole process makes it rather easy to own a largish cat... get familiarized with it and have it professional maintained. And it comes with some financial benefits as well.... The charters are paying off the boat to some extent I would think.

As Jim Cate points out the Caribe for North Americans... is accessible, reliable climate in the winter months where people will want to get away from the cold... had lots of close to one interesting islands to sail to and from with trade winds and a well developed tourism infrastructure.

I don't see many cats in Southern NE. More than in years past for sure... And that makes sense as more companies selling them are expanding their offerings. And plastic boats don't disappear either. It's hard to know what people are buying these days and the only way to know would be to survey the mfgs at boat shows in NA from FL to New England. I don't look at boats in the shows and rarely even attend them but I would bet that all the charter companies are marketing at the shows selling charters and boats for charter down in the Caribe.

And who would deny that if you do a family vacation with a largish family.... a cat makes a lot of sense... whereas a couple would likely charter a monohull or 2 couples a larger mono.

Maybe

[weavis]

Originally Posted by valhalla360

The big cost with power cats is they can typically travel at 15-20kts. The means big expensive engines and filling large fuel tanks.

Outfit a power cat with a pair of 40hp diesels (essentially the same as the sail cats use) and limit the speed to 7kts and I'll give you 10-1 odds the power cat operating costs are at least 1/3 lower over 20yrs of similar use.

Just eliminating the sails, mast & rigging on a 45' cat likely puts you $20k ahead on cost. Assuming it's built from the ground up for trawler speeds (ie: 9-10kt top speed and cruise at 6-8kt), you can make a really efficient boat.

It would be difficult in the Med to have self control to limit oneself to 7 knots. Travel from East Coast of Spain to the Balearics is about 100 miles.. Power boats cross at 25 plus knots in order to do lunch or dinner and back again in 3 plus hours each way..

7 knots makes it an overnighter.... I see the time coming where cheaper electric hybrids fix this issue. Unless river or leisurely coastal cruising... 7 knots, whilst the most economical, kinda can be cramping in this type of craft.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODoKpaVjW-I

[weavis]

I wonder if I fitted 2 x 9 HP yamahas it would be economical?

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by weavis

It would be difficult in the Med to have self control to limit oneself to 7 knots. Travel from East Coast of Spain to the Balearics is about 100 miles.. Power boats cross at 25 plus knots in order to do lunch or dinner and back again in 3 plus hours each way..

7 knots makes it an overnighter.... I see the time coming where cheaper electric hybrids fix this issue. Unless river or leisurely coastal cruising... 7 knots, whilst the most economical, kinda can be cramping in this type of craft.

Whats that famous EU/Brexit saying..???
"Want to have your cake.. and eat it..!!"

[weavis]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Whats that famous EU/Brexit saying..???
"Want to have your cake.. and eat it..!!"

Imagine yourself on the flybridge of one of these beauties and limited to 7 knots...

sigh..

[valhalla360]

Originally Posted by weavis

It would be difficult in the Med to have self control to limit oneself to 7 knots. Travel from East Coast of Spain to the Balearics is about 100 miles.. Power boats cross at 25 plus knots in order to do lunch or dinner and back again in 3 plus hours each way..

7 knots makes it an overnighter.... I see the time coming where cheaper electric hybrids fix this issue. Unless river or leisurely coastal cruising... 7 knots, whilst the most economical, kinda can be cramping in this type of craft.

Sure but the argument against power cats is typically: They are more expensive to operate compared to sail cats when in reality it has nothing to do with power vs sail.

I understand the issue completely. Our first boat had a pair of V8's but we were weekend cruising. Yeah, it eats a lot of fuel but we didn't do that many miles per year.

When we switched to longer distance cruising, speed was less important as it didn't matter how long it took to get to a destination (within reason) but getting 5-10times the miles out of a gallon of gas made a big difference, so we switched to a sail cat (even though we are some of those horrible people who motor a lot).

I think the big holdup is for the guy who can afford a brand new 45' power cat, the fuel bill is not an issue. It's the cruiser buying second hand who would love a slower efficient power cat.

Then again, I seriously thought about a small cat that was for sale a while back without the mast. Only $12k but otherwise seemed to be in good condition. It wouldn't have been fast but for tooling around the canals of Europe with some coastal hops, it would have worked nicely.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by weavis

Imagine yourself on the flybridge of one of these beauties and limited to 7 knots...

sigh..

But we (you) are talking about your pocket.. imagine yourself on a HT 26/27 without the mast and a 50hp L/S pushing you at 12knots.. should be affordable..
Stop walking past Harrods..

[weavis]

Originally Posted by boatman61

But we (you) are talking about your pocket.. imagine yourself on a HT 26/27 without the mast and a 50hp L/S pushing you at 12knots.. should be affordable..
Stop walking past Harrods..

HT 27 please!... I have standards!

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by weavis

HT 27 please!... I have standards!

I'll concede on that point..
You do sail a Westerly Centaur mono when back in the UK..

[Mariano]

Originally Posted by savoir

Make my mind up? What on earth for because ,nothing has been contradicted.

These people control 100% of what we see in their vids so they deserve no leeway in our interpretation. On the other hand, if the vids were controlled by someone else, they might indeed earn a little leeway by claiming that important bits had been edited out by some nasty outsider.

It's their life, their boat, their money, their choice. They aren't taking your money, people that likes their vids on youtube AND WANT VOLUNTARELY TO SUPPORT THEM go to PATREON.COM and make a VOLUNTARY payment. THE ARE NOT LIVING WITH YOUR MONEY OR TAX MONEY, SO PLEASE SHUT UP AND MOVE ON.

[mcric]

i was living(working) on a 68ft monohull power boat, i was sailing on cat and some monohulls between 40 and 50 ft.

the most fun i had with monos !

the cats are spacious, but boring to sail - sorry for that :-)

i would never go with a cat to the roaring 40s

at anchor, mooring or flat sea, I like cats :-)

at sea, far away from shore, I only want to go with monos

what I want to say is, I feel more secure on a mono while in heavy weather conditions

for circumnavigation I would buy a mono

for sailing in secure places, a cat is perfect

so, it depends what you want to do with your boat.

do you need/want space, fun, safety, ..... ???

[smj]

Originally Posted by mcric

i was living(working) on a 68ft monohull power boat, i was sailing on cat and some monohulls between 40 and 50 ft.

the most fun i had with monos !

the cats are spacious, but boring to sail - sorry for that :-)

i would never go with a cat to the roaring 40s

at anchor, mooring or flat sea, I like cats :-)

at sea, far away from shore, I only want to go with monos

what I want to say is, I feel more secure on a mono while in heavy weather conditions

for circumnavigation I would buy a mono

for sailing in secure places, a cat is perfect

so, it depends what you want to do with your boat.

do you need/want space, fun, safety, ..... ???

Yet multihulls have been proven as seaworthy as monohulls.


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[weavis]

Originally Posted by boatman61

I'll concede on that point..
You do sail a Westerly Centaur mono when back in the UK..

I feel its the least I can do to help British boatbuilding...