Performance vs Comfort 50-foot Cats - real difference

[alctel]

Originally Posted by Simi 60

For sure, but our comfort level demands are definately higher than yours.
20 years ago a boat of that style would have suited us fine
And 20 years ago we probably still couldn't afford it - would have been a $500k+ boat then.

Now a bit older and cruising full time , large tender and big outboard, walk around king size beds, household refrigeration, washing machine, endless water, essentially all the comforts of a dirt house and the power to run it all without a cord are what we require

To get that and still sail at wind speed or near it will cost an extraordinary amount of coin

It's almost like different people have different priorities

[Simi 60]

Originally Posted by alctel

It's almost like different people have different priorities

Yep

To keep the financier happy, signing off on the coin and out here full time required nice things.
Can't blame her, nice things are well......nice.

[smj]

Originally Posted by Simi 60

For sure, but our comfort level demands are definately higher than yours.

20 years ago a boat of that style would have suited us fine

And 20 years ago we probably still couldn't afford it - would have been a $500k+ boat then.



Now a bit older and cruising full time , large tender and big outboard, walk around king size beds, household refrigeration, washing machine, endless water, essentially all the comforts of a dirt house and the power to run it all without a cord are what we require



To get that and still sail at wind speed or near it will cost an extraordinary amount of coin

20 years ago base price was around $225k, but if still built probably close to $500k now.
No doubt different priorities. I build beach house’s for a living when I’m making a living. We’ve been almost full time liveaboards for over 30 years so when we feel the need for more luxury and amenities it will be a land based beach house for us!

[CaptainRivet]

Originally Posted by Simi 60

For sure, but our comfort level demands are definately higher than yours.
20 years ago a boat of that style would have suited us fine
And 20 years ago we probably still couldn't afford it - would have been a $500k+ boat then.

Now a bit older and cruising full time , large tender and big outboard, walk around king size beds, household refrigeration, washing machine, endless water, essentially all the comforts of a dirt house and the power to run it all without a cord are what we require

To get that and still sail at wind speed or near it will cost an extraordinary amount of coin

SMJ's TRT1200 was much cheaper then 500k, i nearly got a TRT1200 for 130kEuro in good condition...somebody bought it sight unseen upfront my nose. Was zxactly what i wqs looking for. Didn't know TRT that well at that time otherwise i would have done the same. If i get one in good condition i will also trade my Lavezzi in for it.

[smj]

Originally Posted by CaptainRivet

SMJ's TRT1200 was much cheaper then 500k, i nearly got a TRT1200 for 130kEuro in good condition...somebody bought it sight unseen upfront my nose. Was zxactly what i wqs looking for. Didn't know TRT that well at that time otherwise i would have done the same. If i get one in good condition i will also trade my Lavezzi in for it.

Will keep you posted in case we decide to sell ours this fall, course we don’t deal in Euros only Murican $$$$$’s!

[CaptainRivet]

Originally Posted by smj

Will keep you posted in case we decide to sell ours this fall, course we don’t deal in Euros only Murican $$$$$’s!

Looking for a TRT 1200CR not the open bridgedeck GT Version

[smj]

Originally Posted by CaptainRivet

Looking for a TRT 1200CR not the open bridgedeck GT Version

Ah, the cruising version, nice cat

[Simi 60]

Originally Posted by smj

20 years ago base price was around $225k, but if still built probably close to $500k now.

Yep and 20 years ago $225 usd was near enough $500k AUD
$500k usd today near enough $755k AUD

No doubt different priorities. I build beach house’s for a living when I’m making a living. We’ve been almost full time liveaboards for over 30 years so when we feel the need for more luxury and amenities it will be a land based beach house for us

Fair enough
We never had nice things in our early years but being frugal did allow us to retire in our 40's
Waited long enough - nice things now.

[Chotu]

Originally Posted by Simi 60

One that would have the average punter chained to a desk till 85 yoa to afford it
Or one that can only carry "half" the toothbrush that also doubles as a toilet brush.

I haven’t really laughed that hard in a while. This was a good one lol

[smj]

Originally Posted by Simi 60

Yep and 20 years ago $225 usd was near enough $500k AUD

$500k usd today near enough $755k AUD









Fair enough

We never had nice things in our early years but being frugal did allow us to retire in our 40's

Waited long enough - nice things now.

We’ve been frugal since our 20’s. Semi retired at 30 and been splitting life 50-50 between work and sailing since. Now in my early 60’s I plan on growing up and going back to work full time when I reach retirement age. Maybe ass backwards but has worked for us.

[Kinkircating]

It’s a Balance 526MkII, that was loaded for the 1300 mile passage we were on, full water tanks & 3/4 full with fuel. Carrying a Highfield 360 with a 25HP 4stroke dinghy, and all the toys & crew of 5. Flying 120sqm code 0 & full main. TWA of 105. Max boat speed this trip was 22.9knots surfing a wave in 22knots of wind at 150 TWA, the boat likes to sit around 14 knots or so very comfortably not in anyway seeming out of control, more so she’s in her element.

The issue is as others have alluded to, it’s not an inexpensive catamaran. There are faster cats out there no doubt l but it’s a pretty decent blend of comfort and performance.

[Nautes]

The hull will limit speed no matter the sail configuration.

[sailingharry]

Originally Posted by CaptainRivet

9kn in 9kn wind is impressive, thats beam reach course? And downwind? What cat do you have?

That kind of sailing is awesome. Our 43' cruising mono several times has done 8kts SOW in 8kts true wind with a TWA of 90 (and AWA about 60) under main and asym. Down wind in 9, we won't see much over 7 (with an AWS of 2 kts--freaky!).

Like I said, awesome!! [emoji16][emoji106]

[catsketcher]

Originally Posted by Nautes

The hull will limit speed no matter the sail configuration.

Thin hulled cats (ones with length to beam ratios of 10-1) don't have a hull speed limitation. Same thing with thin kayaks and rowing shells. Hull speed is for fatter and heavier hulls.

[Simi 60]

Originally Posted by catsketcher

Thin hulled cats (ones with length to beam ratios of 10-1) don't have a hull speed limitation. Same thing with thin kayaks and rowing shells. Hull speed is for fatter and heavier hulls.

Throw a big load at them (overload them)
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