Lagoon 380 to end production in spring

[jbinbi]

After 20 years, and 900 boats sold, the 380 ends production in early spring 2019.

As a recent owner, a great sailing boat. Excellent SA/D ratio, does consistently great in the ARCs, and is fun to sail. Very different from the current line, especially the newest that have self tacking jibs. In the current Lagoon 40, the end of the boom over hangs the hardtop by a few feet. You can't reach the end unless you put the boom on the diagonal corner. When it's blowing 25 and you have 5ft seas and the reef line catches on the end of the boom, not a good situation.

Hope they replace the 380 with something that costs about the same with a newer updated cockpit and interior but keep the good performance.

[LeeV]

Originally Posted by jbinbi

After 20 years, and 900 boats sold, the 380 ends production in early spring 2019.

As a recent owner, a great sailing boat. Excellent SA/D ratio, does consistently great in the ARCs, and is fun to sail. Very different from the current line, especially the newest that have self tacking jibs. In the current Lagoon 40, the end of the boom over hangs the hardtop by a few feet. You can't reach the end unless you put the boom on the diagonal corner. When it's blowing 25 and you have 5ft seas and the reef line catches on the end of the boom, not a good situation.

Hope they replace the 380 with something that costs about the same with a newer updated cockpit and interior but keep the good performance.

That’s a shame. It’s probably one of the best selling and overall performing (in its class) production cats, where the designer/builder got all the chemistry right.

I’m guessing it’s going the way of the Do-Do bird; like the other big shops, they’re going bigger and costlier, something I think will bite them in the butt as the economy begins to slow down.

[mikedefieslife]

Originally Posted by jbinbi

After 20 years, and 900 boats sold, the 380 ends production in early spring 2019.

As a recent owner, a great sailing boat. Excellent SA/D ratio, does consistently great in the ARCs, and is fun to sail....

...Hope they replace the 380 with something that costs about the same with a newer updated cockpit and interior but keep the good performance.

What a production run huh. A friend of mine had just bought a new one.

Interestingly the SA/D is only 20.96, compared to 23.19 for my Prout Snowgoose 35, yet I bet the 380 is a faster (and massively more comfortable).

I can't see them bothering to create another cat less than 40'. You know how it is these days, everything has to be larger.

The Lucia 40 is the smallest FP cat, and the Open 40 the smallest Nautitech model.

Perhaps what we need are some Japanese cat manufacturers. You'd get smaller boats packed full for features and available at lower prices.

[Sand crab]

The Lucia 40 is 38'5' and the Open 40 39.4 feet. The Lagoon 40 is 38.5' and the L380 is 37.9' so Lagoon already has a boat close in length to the L380.
It seems only Nautitech cares about reality in naming their boats. Lagoon used to.

[rallyman1122]

Originally Posted by LeeV

That’s a shame. It’s probably one of the best selling and overall performing (in its class) production cats, where the designer/builder got all the chemistry right.

I’m guessing it’s going the way of the Do-Do bird; like the other big shops, they’re going bigger and costlier, something I think will bite them in the butt as the economy begins to slow down.

I don't dispute the cost of bigger boats but I wonder if the marketplace is telling Lagoon it's time? I don't know what the wait time on a new 380 is but I suspect its relatively short.

[riki]

Originally Posted by mikedefieslife

What a production run huh. A friend of mine had just bought a new one.

Interestingly the SA/D is only 20.96, compared to 23.19 for my Prout Snowgoose 35, yet I bet the 380 is a faster (and massively more comfortable).

I can't see them bothering to create another cat less than 40'. You know how it is these days, everything has to be larger.

The Lucia 40 is the smallest FP cat, and the Open 40 the smallest Nautitech model.

Perhaps what we need are some Japanese cat manufacturers. You'd get smaller boats packed full for features and available at lower prices.

The smallest FP is the Mahe 36.
But indeed somemore manufacturers would be great for competition and pricing.

[LeeV]

Originally Posted by rallyman1122

I don't dispute the cost of bigger boats but I wonder if the marketplace is telling Lagoon it's time? I don't know what the wait time on a new 380 is but I suspect its relatively short.

I just discussed this with a rep from one of the “big 3” who told me the Lagoon 380 always outsold their boats until the last Miami show, when that spot was taken over by the Lagoon 42. Interesting.

All I know is that every 380 owner I ever met regaled me with positive comments and the two that I was a guest aboard were a dream to sail. Sad for folks whose economics demand a lower cost bar.

[mikedefieslife]

Originally Posted by riki

The smallest FP is the Mahe 36.
But indeed somemore manufacturers would be great for competition and pricing.

The Mahe was discontinued a long time ago.

Originally Posted by Sand crab

The Lucia 40 is 38'5' and the Open 40 39.4 feet. The Lagoon 40 is 38.5' and the L380 is 37.9' so Lagoon already has a boat close in length to the L380.
It seems only Nautitech cares about reality in naming their boats. Lagoon used to.

Ah I see. I suppose no one ever said the number had anything to do with the length. It was just implied. I don't imagine anyone ever thought the 380 was 380' long especially considering that a foot (excluding antiquity where a French royal foot was actually larger than the British measurement - hence Napoleon wasn't actually short by the standards of the day) doesn't exist in France as a form of measurement. As you point out though, the Lagoon 40 is similar in length to the 380 and all its rivals, so no need for a replacement.

[Factor]

Originally Posted by Sand crab

The Lucia 40 is 38'5' and the Open 40 39.4 feet. The Lagoon 40 is 38.5' and the L380 is 37.9' so Lagoon already has a boat close in length to the L380.
It seems only Nautitech cares about reality in naming their boats. Lagoon used to.

Seawind 1160 is 11.6 metres, so there is at least one other maker

[jbinbi]

Lagoon 40 is about 6k lbs heavier, about a 1' wider and easily 1' more freeboard than the 380 even though they have roughly the same lenght. Plus about 75k more (have don't $/lb but bet it works out the same).

Last lagoon 380 is off the line in about 3 months, order was 5 months ago.

Lagoon 42 is probably their hottest selling boat right now. Though the 450 still sells really well. That is a fantastic boat.

[Sand crab]

It is funny because most cats (except Seawind and others) are named because of their length in feet. Lagoon and Leopard had the 100 series like the 440. Bali did it different by shifting the decimal place like the 4.0 and 4.3. Privilege is an anomaly because their 510 is 56' and the 6 series is 64'. I guess they didn't get the memo.

[Maka]

Seems the mono hull monikers do a better job reflecting actual length.


Size really does matter when it comes to Boats.

[mikedefieslife]

Originally Posted by Sand crab

It is funny because most cats (except Seawind and others) are named because of their length in feet. Lagoon and Leopard had the 100 series like the 440. Bali did it different by shifting the decimal place like the 4.0 and 4.3. Privilege is an anomaly because their 510 is 56' and the 6 series is 64'. I guess they didn't get the memo.

Many people believe this, but I'm not so sure. Unless a manufacturer has come out and said it directly about their brand, it's just conjecture. IMO the name has nothing to do with the length. As I said earlier the 380 isn't 380cm, 380m, 380 foot or anything else.

[Tetepare]

I find the 380 to be the most aesthetically pleasing catamaran. Everything seems to be in proportion.


Unfortunately, prices on used 380s have skyrocketed as of late, I presume due to the hurricane.

[Jim Woodall]

Lagoon has "tried" to discontinue the 380 several times over the years by introducing new models that would replace it. However, there has always been a demand for an entry level cruising catamaran and the 380 has proven to be such a great boat that there has always been a good demand for that specific boat. Lagoon's bottom line has precluded replacing the 380 until now. I think the Lagoon 380 is the best-selling cruising catamaran ever built. Wait times are very short as the demand vis-a-vis many of the newer Lagoons is no longer strong.

As mention in an earlier post, it appears the Lagoon 42 has changed many things for Lagoon. Lagoon has never had a boat that has sold as well as the 42 - to date. I've ordered two Lagoon 42's (the first a victim of Irma in 2017) and my wait time on the first boat was 10 months. My original wait time on the second boat was around 13 months but I traded up to a build slot that gave me only a 9 month wait. My first boat was Hull # 146 delivered June, 2017, my current boat is Hull # 279 delivered July 2018. I think orders are now well above #400 and might be approaching #500. Wait times are now over 12 months. Lagoon has shifted production to meet the demand.

Thus far we are ecstatic with our Lagoon 42. She sails better than anticipated, even with her small sail plan. She is extremely easy to sail and very comfortable. I've also sailed another 42 on an 8-day delivery from Florida to Tortola and the boat performed beautifully in challenging conditions. Literally, ever owner I've talked with loves the 42 and the word has spread quickly.

I spent time with the Lagoon representatives during the 2018 Annapolis Boat Show because our boat was in the show. I was told the success of the 42 had far exceeded Lagoon's expectations and all the newer boats between 40 - 50 feet are being well received. The production space taken up by the 380 was needed for the new models, as simple as that. Nonetheless, the Lagoon 380 is a first vote hall of famer.