Originally Posted by Sailmonkey
If your only goal is a transat [trans-Atlantic], do you really need a watermaker and the other associated goodies. Or are you planning on long term cruising
, where you’d be anchored for extended times living in the boat?
I'm going to make three or more assumptions about our OP before offering a few suggestions.
First, coming from Zurich, I assume he's a native German speaker. (Few to none of us know what helpful books
there are for you to consult auf Deutsch!) Second, I assume you are planning on doing a trans-Atlantic crossing for the challenge and adventure! Good enough reasons. Third, as the English
saying goes, "The Devil is in the details" - hence, the many requests for more details in this thread.
Thus, you may not have given much thought to what else you are going to do with yourself after that accomplishment? Except, to sell your boat, perhaps? Or else to sail it back to Europe
or the Mediterranean
Sea and dock
Fourth, have you learned about sailing from any Youtube channels? Or have you sailed on Lake Zurich? Perhaps with friends? Or are you completely new?
The 30-something woman of "Untie The Lines" (she's named "Nike") channel is from NWR Germany
. (She also has a blog site to learn from.) Despite sailing experience and certification
, she started out with a sailboat at the bottom: buying
boat she named "Karl" in the Western Caribbean
, and after a couple of seasons of too much dockwork, Nike realized that Karl needs a new engine!
Fortunately, our OPs 60,000 Swiss Franc budget
should means that you can avoid her troubles and get to something made crossing-worthy in much less time than Nike did. As another poster suggests, you probably should try to buy a sailboat over 32 feet or longer. 32 to 38 feet is the proper range.
This size is good enough for comfortable crossings either alone - or better still - for two at least. (Heavy seas could still mean sea-sickness and bad sleeping, if at all, for some days. But the adventurous and sensible minded can still set their sights only going during a good weather
window. Two to three weeks Atlantic crossings are common, but plan for up to four weeks!)
The essential "overview" for your boat and Atlantic crossing
needs is Beth Leonard's "The Voyager's Handbook: The Essential Guidebook for Blue Water
Cruising." ("Blue Water" means ocean crossing
.) The second edition (2007) will do fine.
(Again, I have no idea if this Bible of Blue Water
Cruising is available in German; nor do I know if there is something similar in German...there may be...?)
What makes this book perfect for you is the author's outline of plans for "Simplicity," a "33 foot, 30 year old" sailboat. This size and age of sailboat is right in your price range. Beth Leonard explains what you need and why you want it. And in a general way, the costs. Or - more specifically - how to narow down your real costs.
Now, speaking of costs, here's an excellent way to cut costs. It works if you can take the time to travel: Buy your 30-something sailboat not in Europe
nor the USA, but in Canada
, away from the US-Canada border.
Why? The Canadian dollar is less than 75% of the US Dollar (71% the last time I looked). But border prices for boats are like US prices. However, if you look for used sailboats in Halifax
, Nova Scotia
- and other towns and marinas
in the Atlantic Provinces of Canada
, you can get a bargain! The $25,000USD or more boat is $20,000 or $18,000 or even $16,000 in Eastern Canada. (EXAMPLES at bottom.)
(I know about this because I've been looking for a 30-foot or more sailboat for a friend in the US South.)
saved, you can afford to refit
there. Or else spend $1000 (plus airfare, so maybe $2000 total) to hire an experienced crew-member to sail South to Northwest Florida
, say, the Jacksonville
area - where the cost of storing and docking
and refitting your new but old-sailboat is best achieved, and the weather
- outside of hurricane
season - is better than cold winter of Canada.
Obviously, this takes time and some money
to do in person. Also, you may not have thought to go from North America to Europe, first. But if you buy your sailboat for $20,000USD, then add in $20,000 for refit
, add $10,000 in air travel and a month or two of living costs - and maybe $10,000 in safety gear
like new emergency
raft and satellite phone
, etc - then you are ready to cross an ocean under (or at) your 60,000 Swiss Franc budget
Now, maybe the refit and safety and cost of travel and living are really half of these armchair estimates. Then what? Then spend a few thousand dollars on coastal sailing or "blue water" sailing instruction! Invest on building confidence. Or equally, along the way you make friends with people with more experience and time to spend with you - on the water - in your new (but old and refit) sailboat! And teach you.
The hard part is getting convinced that all this suggested Grand Planning makes good sense. Again, here is where Beth Leonard's "The Voyager's Handbook" will give you simple spreadsheets to follow and fill out with current
cost data. The internet
and cruisersforum can help you make cost estimates realistic and do-able.
Spending more on a better sailboat will cost less of your time and less money to improve. But really knowing this comes down to making good cost estimates and planning your budget accordingly.
My ultimate message to our OP is this: do your homework! (That is: Get self-educated! Shopping
and testing out plans and estimates is invaluable as soon as you are ready to buy; the effort will prepare you for going deeper into whatever journeys you start on.) Get back to us, here, later (when you have better sketched out your alternatives).
(Getting back on the water soon; 25 years experience sailing.)
EXAMPLES. Some sailboat "finds" in Nova Scotia
, Canada, from three months ago (try these LINKS below--but there are many more. Email
and ask others for more sites and sources in Eastern Canada)!
Boats For Sale - Sunnybrook Yachts
Sunnybrook Yachts - North America Yacht Brokerage
1982 CATALINA 38[foot] - $34,900 (C-dollars? I think - ergo $28K US!)
5ft Shoal draft
a large interior
layout with a roomy and open salon
, private V-berth cabin
forward, large quarter berth, large dining table, starboard settee, navigation station and U shaped galley
. The woodwork in this boat is in excellent condition and comes with a dodger
Please watch the YouTube video in the link below:
rebuilt in 2012 [— looks nasty — replace soon? Get a marine mechanic
1985 Jeanneau Attalia Chester, Nova Scotia, Canada - Sunnybrook Yachts
. - 32ft. But draft
is over 5ft
One owner by marine
Large aft cabin
. Full galley
and seating for six at a large double leaf table.
. RL70C radar
, speed and depth*
and added stern spoon.
90 sailboats for sale in Nova Scotia
31 [ft] ketch
$22,500.00 [Canadian dollars?]
Boat well equipped with new Stevens sails, 20 hp yanmar
deisel, 2012 aluminium tri axle trailer
, appraised in 2016 for 46,000 [Canadian Dollars?]. Located in digby.
search for sail boat data got this exterior video on this model:
Harstad 31 sailboat exterior walkthrough [circa 2015]
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