Global Warming Opens Up Antarctic Waterways

[conachair]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

No we're not agreeing on anything.

Fine, your mind is made up. No point in discussing science then.

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

Sorry to harp on. Participating in this thread made me do a casual search on current climate change status this evening. One of the first articles I stumbled on kind of confirms my opinion of data homogenization:

The fiddling with temperature data is the biggest science scandal ever - Telegraph

Here's a sample of the article:

Two weeks ago, under the headline “How we are being tricked by flawed data on global warming”, I wrote about Paul Homewood, who, on his Notalotofpeopleknowthat blog, had checked the published temperature graphs for three weather stations in Paraguay against the temperatures that had originally been recorded. In each instance, the actual trend of 60 years of data had been dramatically reversed, so that a cooling trend was changed to one that showed a marked warming.


And another recent article that I found interesting:

'Global warming the greatest scam in history' claims founder of Weather Channel | Nature | News | Daily Express

Hopefully this bogeyman will soon be put to bed and the resources made available can be turned to the more immediate and pressing issues facing mankind and the planet that can actually be resolved.

Kevin Cowtan on Brooker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRFz8merXEA

John Coleman lasted one year at the Weather Channel. He is a TV weatherman with a degree in journalism. The Weather Channel professionals have a statement on climate change which contradicts Coleman.

http://www.weather.com/science/envir...ement-20141029

You need to dig deeper on these issues.

[rwidman]

Originally Posted by jackdale

............ BTW - I have not seen the movie, not do I use Gore as any sort of expert.

Without Al Gore you wouldn't have the Internet to post on.

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by savoir

Unfortunately Jackdale you have been hoodwinked by the warmistas. The truth is that the Antarctic summers of recent years have been colder than ever. Last year an expedition of scientists off to prove the effects of global warming on Antarctica was frozen in during summer. How embarrassment !
Global Warming Researchers Rescued From Antarctic Ice - Breitbart

Just a few weeks ago a fishing boat was also stranded in ice during summer.
U.S. Coast Guard rescues 26 from vessel stuck in Antarctic ice | Reuters

In addition, the area of the Antarctic covered by sea ice is at record highs.
Antarctic Sea Ice Reaches New Record Maximum | NASA

Beware of Warmistas. They will tell you anything.

What's bizzare is you quote sources that confirm warming . Please read the last quote through for example

I just wonder what you actually read to inform your opinions

Just like smoking and cancer the science is settled. All we are arguing over is the extent of the subsequent events/consequences.




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[jtsailjt]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

Just like smoking and cancer the science is settled. All we are arguing over is the extent of the subsequent events/consequences.




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The correlation between smoking and cancer has been thoroughly researched and explained, but no such "settled science" exists when it comes to global warming or climate change or whatever the popular terminology is these days. Just because many of you seem to WISH it were settled science doesn't make it so. Of course, climate change is a hugely more complex thing to understand, and is equally difficult to observe so it may turn out to be just as warmist say. But despite what you have chosen to believe, it's NOT settled science and won't be for quite awhile. That's not necessarily because you are wrong, it's just that the whole earth and atmosphere make up a vast, complex with an almost infinite number of variables, so it's pretty understandable that we don't yet understand how it all works like we do cancer. For the foreseeable future, we all may have our own ideas about climate and climate change, but nobody can really say they know for sure, only what we BELIEVE.

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by rwidman

Without Al Gore you wouldn't have the Internet to post on.

snopes.com: Did Al Gore Claim He Invented the Internet?

[LakeSuperior]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

Just like smoking and cancer the science is settled. All we are arguing over is the extent of the subsequent events/consequences.




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Wow, pretty matter of fact!! I guess there is no point in any more debate.

[jtsailjt]

Originally Posted by jackdale

snopes.com: Did Al Gore Claim He Invented the Internet?

Who really cares? It's just so much fun to watch his acolytes bang their heads against brick walls, thanks for the visual! But even his claim that he "created" the Internet is pretty arrogant and self serving, which pretty much summarizes the man himself, thus the ongoing stereotype.

[conachair]

Originally Posted by jtsailjt

For the foreseeable future, we all may have our own ideas about climate and climate change, but nobody can really say they know for sure, only what we BELIEVE.

Where the errors and inaccuracies lie seems much better defined than you might think..

Climate Change: Evidence and Causes » Climate Change at the National Academies

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by jtsailjt

The correlation between smoking and cancer has been thoroughly researched and explained, but no such "settled science" exists when it comes to global warming or climate change or whatever the popular terminology is these days. Just because many of you seem to WISH it were settled science doesn't make it so. Of course, climate change is a hugely more complex thing to understand, and is equally difficult to observe so it may turn out to be just as warmist say. But despite what you have chosen to believe, it's NOT settled science and won't be for quite awhile. That's not necessarily because you are wrong, it's just that the whole earth and atmosphere make up a vast, complex with an almost infinite number of variables, so it's pretty understandable that we don't yet understand how it all works like we do cancer. For the foreseeable future, we all may have our own ideas about climate and climate change, but nobody can really say they know for sure, only what we BELIEVE.

Sorry unless you possess the qualifications in advanced maths and have studied the peer reviewed science can you make any statement about what you BELEIVE .

If however you have either spoken to acknowledged experts in the field or have read extensively the peer reviewed science, then I will except what you say.

The funny thing is that the serious scientific community have agreed that global climate change is occurring faster as a result of man made influences ( note not just warming but " change " )

What is now being investigated and debated is the accuracy of the models and their predictions.

This stuff simply isn't accessible to ordinary people. Hence most get their from simplistic non science biased opinion formers.

Reading on some right wing blog written by a non science person isn't the same as reviewing the subject scientifically.

As I said , deniers are like smokers 20 years ago.

Dave


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[jackdale]

Originally Posted by jtsailjt

The correlation between smoking and cancer has been thoroughly researched and explained, but no such "settled science" exists when it comes to global warming or climate change or whatever the popular terminology is these days. Just because many of you seem to WISH it were settled science doesn't make it so. Of course, climate change is a hugely more complex thing to understand, and is equally difficult to observe so it may turn out to be just as warmist say. But despite what you have chosen to believe, it's NOT settled science and won't be for quite awhile. That's not necessarily because you are wrong, it's just that the whole earth and atmosphere make up a vast, complex with an almost infinite number of variables, so it's pretty understandable that we don't yet understand how it all works like we do cancer. For the foreseeable future, we all may have our own ideas about climate and climate change, but nobody can really say they know for sure, only what we BELIEVE.

The irony is that the Heartland Institute, one the main climate science denial lobby groups, is also a lobbyist for the tobacco industry and they use that same tactics and the same people.

Here is Joe Bast, the president of Heartland in 1996.

With respect to smoking, there's plenty of evidence--including a recent study by the Congressional Research Service--that sound science concerning the health effects of "second-hand smoke" doesn't support the claims being made by EPA and FDA.

Joe Camel Is Innocent! | Heartlander Magazine

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by jtsailjt

Who really cares? It's just so much fun to watch his acolytes bang their heads against brick walls, thanks for the visual! But even his claim that he "created" the Internet is pretty arrogant and self serving, which pretty much summarizes the man himself, thus the ongoing stereotype.

He did not make that claim. You have been suckered.

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by LakeSuperior

Wow, pretty matter of fact!! I guess there is no point in any more debate.

The only debate in the majority scientific community is the arguments over the extent of the effects. ( ie the validity of the various models )

This can range from benign to catastrophic at present given the variability of the models.

But the fact remains all serious scientific bodies , with skin in the game , nasa , un , universities agree that the climate is experiencing quicker change due mans recent efforts.





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[SV THIRD DAY]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

Sorry unless you possess the qualifications in advanced maths and have studied the peer reviewed science can you make any statement about what you BELEIVE .

Ahhhh...sorry Dave, that's not now a Representative Democracy works my friend. If you can't convince the Voters, then it what you think and believe frankly doesn't matter from a public policy standpoint. See in a Representative Democracy the smarter than us folks don't get to make laws that govern and control us. Oh, I know this irritates those like Obama who just goes around the laws, but if you want a solution to what you believe is MMGW...then my friend, you had better start treating us dumb voters with a little more respect because without us...nothing is going to happen! We don't live in a Dictatorship....well yet anyway....

[SV THIRD DAY]

Originally Posted by jackdale

He did not make that claim. You have been suckered.

Ha ha ha...using Snopes to prove an argument...my dear Canadian friend, it is you who have been suckered...might as well link to MoveOn.org for "the truth". I love you...but it's time to give up or convince the voters...you know...those evil Tea Party guys/gals that won the House/Senate in 2014....ha ha...good luck with that.