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Dirk Williams · 06-02-2017, 17:31

A64, my 50s a Barrett aswell, I've also got a 338 lm, a 300 WM, a 308 a 243 a 6.5 and a 7 mm all are long range set ups. On average glass and rifle builds around 7k, to 10k a pop. Hell my glass is 3500/4500 a scope.

I'm a gun guy, I build and shoot a lot of guns. I've been collecting since the mid 70s, and rarely sell. I've got a collection of m14 rifles, FNFAL 308s, H&K rifles that I purchased as a young man. Also collect 1911 colt style pistols, they tell me I have a bunch.

While most were out vacationing, I saved my money and purchased firearms. and high end optics.

I'm not a killer, or a saint. I'm just someone who enjoys shooting tiny targets at really long distances. A hit at 1760 " a mile" is very satisfying. Over two or three valleys and ridge lines then observe the target upon impact is well rewarding. Being a retired police man, I've been thru some very very interesting courses, very challanging to,say the least.

My social circle is very interesting to say the least.

Off to dinner.

Dirk

SV DestinyAscen · 06-02-2017, 17:46

There are generally two ways to develop antivirus software. One is heuristic driven that seeks to prevent known threats, hobbyists reusing old code and strategies, etc. Second is trying to lock down system resources from unauthorized use.

Both work but neither is completely foolproof.

Even airgapped systems aren't completely safe. Like previously said by others the Iranian centrifuge program was attacked by Siemens hardware that came preinfevted in Deutschland. There's been hardware manufacturers who shipped hardware with firmware infected.

RPZ · 06-02-2017, 17:57

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Originally Posted by StuM

You really don't know anything about computer networking protocols, do you?

I do actually. But name this mysterious "public IP address". There isn't one. If there was, the whole world would know about it by now, and all those " fanatical rogue state terrorists " would be crashing our grid every day.

RPZ · 06-02-2017, 18:00

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Originally Posted by a64pilot

I love long range shooting myself, but I have tiny guns, 22-250 and a .204 Ruger. I'd get a 338 lapua, maybe on my return. I don't have a .50, many ranges won't allow them.
I did fire a few rounds in Korea out of a Barrett, does that count?

I'm getting old I think. Anything bigger than a 7.62x51 is just not fun to shoot. I'm staying with 5.56 for the most part, and concentrating on precision.

SV DestinyAscen · 06-02-2017, 18:05

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Originally Posted by RPZ

I'm getting old I think. Anything bigger than a 7.62x51 is just not fun to shoot. I'm staying with 5.56 for the most part, and concentrating on precision.

I knew I was getting too old during the last time I took the Mauser to the range. Went home and sold it to my nephew.

RPZ · 06-02-2017, 18:08

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Originally Posted by SV DestinyAscen

I knew I was getting too old during the last time I took the Mauser to the range. Went home and sold it to my nephew.

I don't shoot 1 1/4 oz. slugs from a 7 1/2 pound 12 gauge anymore either.

CarinaPDX · 06-02-2017, 18:09

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Originally Posted by SV DestinyAscen

Even airgapped systems aren't completely safe. Like previously said by others the Iranian centrifuge program was attacked by Siemens hardware that came preinfevted in Deutschland.

IIRC the public story is that it was done by an infected USB drive, but that could be a cover for Siemens. You just can't trust anyone...

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There's been hardware manufacturers who shipped hardware with firmware infected.

Snowden's leaks had a lot of info on that. But it is not just the US spook community that does it. The US government has a ban on buying any Lenovo computers due to such fears. Why Lenovo and not other computers assembled in China has not been publicly explained, but such things are not done so publicly without a good reason.

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Originally Posted by RPZ

I do actually. But name this mysterious "public IP address". There isn't one.

Sorry, but from our long interaction yesterday it is clear you don't - at least by professional standards.

Greg

adoxograph · 06-02-2017, 18:58

Doomsday is when there are no drinks left in the fridge and everyone is showing up for an unannounced sundowner.

Honestly, I think life is too short to worry about a doomsday, which might never happen.

And really, who of you wants to endure the daily struggle in a post apocalyptic world with no hope that it will improve - ever - until you die?? Just imagine this empty fridge in your cockpit is all you have left.

Haven't you seen "The Day After", "The Book Of Eli" or the "Mad Max" movies?

RPZ · 06-02-2017, 19:13

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Originally Posted by CarinaPDX

IIRC the public story is that it was done by an infected USB drive, but that could be a cover for Siemens. You just can't trust anyone...

Snowden's leaks had a lot of info on that. But it is not just the US spook community that does it. The US government has a ban on buying any Lenovo computers due to such fears. Why Lenovo and not other computers assembled in China has not been publicly explained, but such things are not done so publicly without a good reason.

Sorry, but from our long interaction yesterday it is clear you don't - at least by professional standards.

Greg

Professional by whose standards.

You claim there is some public IP address that someone can gain access to the grid control systems. Anyone that claims that is talking through their hat.

Now, I see the ball has switched to "infected hardware".

I've followed the stuxnet thing since the beginning. Wired magazine isn't the only source of info out there, and is certainly not a professional source of information.

And to quote YOU, " you just can't trust anyone". Evidently you finally get it. These people don't always tell the truth, even if they know what the truth actually is.

CarinaPDX · 06-02-2017, 21:07

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Originally Posted by RPZ

You claim there is some public IP address that someone can gain access to the grid control systems. Anyone that claims that is talking through their hat.

No, I never said anything like that - you are confused. Maybe someone else did. The SCADA network probably ran on the 10.x.x.x address block, which are by definition not public. The firewall, or a separate router behind it, would have had a NAT. That firewall might have had a public IP, but I doubt it. It was probably itself on an internal corporate LAN, again with local ip's and a firewall on the corporate block of public ip's. And of course those addresses are known. Do you understand now?

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I've followed the stuxnet thing since the beginning. Wired magazine isn't the only source of info out there, and is certainly not a professional source of information.

I referenced Wired only because it was the first entry in the search when I was looking to answer you. That information is indeed in many places on the internet, in magazines, books, and on TV. Take your pick. The story is the same. Putting down Wired doesn't solve anything. If you disagree with anything I write then provide your own links to support what you say, if you can. Otherwise it's just more BS.

Greg

jimbunyard · 06-02-2017, 23:08

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Ok here's a grim topic, but it's something I ponder occasionally and maybe it could lead to some discussion... Do you have a "bug out plan", and is your boat a part of it?

I live in Brooklyn, and I can think of a few disaster scenarios where it could be useful having a boat to sail away in rather than elbow my way through crowds over Manhattan bridges to the mainland. Even without planning ahead, my boat usually has enough food, water and fuel on it for a couple people to last a week or more and/or get pretty far away from NYC. These scenarios are all unlikely but definitely not impossible... hey even the Yellowstone Super-volcano is overdue, right?

Then again, when the boat is hauled out for the winter I can't exactly push it in by myself, so that cuts out about half the year. And if I got away from the city, where would I go anyway? I couldn't fit all my family and friends on board, so how do I determine who makes the cut? And would I just be overwhelmed by throngs of angry Brooklyners before I could get off the mooring anyway?

Has anyone else had a thought process like this? How specific is your plan and how serious are you about it?

Should anything be imputed by the assumption implied by your suggestion that 'we' have a 'doomsday plan'? It is interesting how (at this point) the longevity of a thread seems directly proportional to the obtuseness of it's 'point'...

RPZ · 07-02-2017, 03:19

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Originally Posted by CarinaPDX

No, I never said anything like that - you are confused. Maybe someone else did. The SCADA network probably ran on the 10.x.x.x address block, which are by definition not public. The firewall, or a separate router behind it, would have had a NAT. That firewall might have had a public IP, but I doubt it. It was probably itself on an internal corporate LAN, again with local ip's and a firewall on the corporate block of public ip's. And of course those addresses are known. Do you understand now?

Greg

Agreed. And it could have been another poster. But there is no public access to these networks. If there was, in any way, it would have been exploited a long time ago.

Popular media has distorted this and used it as some form of panic button, just as they did the "Nigerian yellow cake" fraud years ago. These are the BSers, not me.