Cuba for Americans ?

[avb3]

Originally Posted by gjberta

If your foreign flagged vessel is currently in US waters under a US Cruising Permit, then all the laws that apply to US flagged vessels, applies to the vessel under US Cruising Permit.
Go to the Bahamas first, then check out of the Bahamas and go to Cuba. Same as on return, do not come directly back to the US.

Coversely, I remember crewing on US vessels in the Key West to Havana race. The technicality there was, that Marina Hemingway "compted" the dockage, so that US citizens were not spending US dollars in Cuba.......

AFAIK, a Canadian flagged boat does not need a Cruising Permit. If that is the case, then my suspicions are that the above does not apply.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

[clifford sloan]

Originally Posted by Ram

I’m having a hard time believing that the US government will know you were ever are there- If your coming from a different country, you could easily hang the flag of your choice the boat & cover your boats name- then once you leave put back your USA flag - uncover your name ect- Do you think the Us Government is relay watching you here?

If you believe what you wrote, you obviously haven't travelled to those areas. Big brother IS watching you and if you don't conduct yourself as if he were looking over your shoulder, you will regret it. There's more agents in Cuba, Costa Rica, Guatamala, Belize, and Panama who all justify their existance by reporting U S citizens suspected of "grey activities".

[Ram]

Originally Posted by clifford sloan

If you believe what you wrote, you obviously haven't travelled to those areas. Big brother IS watching you and if you don't conduct yourself as if he were looking over your shoulder, you will regret it. There's more agents in Cuba, Costa Rica, Guatamala, Belize, and Panama who all justify their existance by reporting U S citizens suspected of "grey activities".

how will they know I’m American ,if I’m flying a Greek flag??Please educate me!

[Trojan Man]

I found this thread while researching the topic on the 'net. I'm going to bump this.

I Want to visit Cuba because:

a. It's forbidden and the color of my passport shouldn't dictate where I can and can't go.

b. It's between me and the Cayman Islands/Jamaica which i also want to visit.

Fortunately I have a wife with a foreign passport and children with dual citizenships. So, it shouldn't be a problem as what I've learned is that the problem with visiting Cuba stems from the treasury dept not immigration or customs. Obviously my wife and kids will be paying for the trip.

I intend to enter Cuba from the Bahamas then continue on the the Cayman Islands.

I'll post here again when and if we make it there in case anyone wants to know the real situation.

[FranklinGray]

When are you planning on making it to Jamaica and Caymans? I'm heading the other way...from Panama to San Andres, Caymans, Jamaica and then DR (hopefully). I'm hoping to hit the Caymans in a month from now and Jamaica before Christmas time.

[Matt Johnson]

Here is one of my wife's post on our going to Cuba:

Welcome to Socialist Cuba | Matt & Jessica's Sailing Page

[Trojan Man]

Originally Posted by FranklinGray

When are you planning on making it to Jamaica and Caymans? I'm heading the other way...from Panama to San Andres, Caymans, Jamaica and then DR (hopefully). I'm hoping to hit the Caymans in a month from now and Jamaica before Christmas time.

It'll probably be after Christmas. Likely Jan or Feb.

[FranklinGray]

Then I'll see you in Jamaica. I'm not expecting to find a good northern to ride to the DR until March.

[Trojan Man]

Okely dokely

[hellosailor]

" the color of my passport shouldn't dictate "

Perhaps not, but when you pledged allegiance to a sovereign, you made a bargain to accept their rules along with their sovereignty. That doesn't prevent you from trying to change the rules, but yes, those rules do dictate many things.

Unlike some countries, a US citizen is of course always free to leave. Although the tax men are having words about that too now, in terms of what else can leave with you.

Of course some of us jaywalk every day, too.

[MBLittle]

Originally Posted by hellosailor

" the color of my passport shouldn't dictate " Perhaps not, but when you pledged allegiance to a sovereign, you made a bargain to accept their rules along with their sovereignty. That doesn't prevent you from trying to change the rules, but yes, those rules do dictate many things. Unlike some countries, a US citizen is of course always free to leave. Although the tax men are having words about that too now, in terms of what else can leave with you. Of course some of us jaywalk every day, too.

Curious how a baby born in America has pledged allegiance to a sovereign...

[The Garbone]

Originally Posted by MBLittle

Curious how a baby born in America has pledged allegiance to a sovereign...

Sure you know, it has been all over the news of late. And if you choose not to "buy" in they fine you, just for being born......

[MBLittle]

Originally Posted by The Garbone

Sure you know, it has been all over the news of late. And if you choose not to "buy" in they fine you, just for being born......

It's painfully obvious you have no idea how the ACA works or what it does. Go back to watching Fox News.

Again, how has a baby born in a country sworn allegiance?

Pretty sure no us born citizen has sworn allegiance to America unless they volunteered for federal service.

[hellosailor]

Well, unless you ARE the sovereign, you have a sovereign. Or, you've become a Stateless Person and you belong to whoever grabs you first.

Sovereigns can be States, they don't have to be Crowns.

[MBLittle]

Originally Posted by hellosailor

Well, unless you ARE the sovereign, you have a sovereign. Or, you've become a Stateless Person and you belong to whoever grabs you first. Sovereigns can be States, they don't have to be Crowns.

I understand what a sovereign state is, still doesn't answer my question...