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CharlieJ · 02-07-2022, 12:42

@newhaul #7711
From my post:

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Further any interested party is invited to join in the process and submit comments during the review of the Standard. These comments carry just as much weight as comments submitted by committee members and each comment is reviewed and adjudicated.

Clearly you have a comprehension issue.

Simi 60 · 02-07-2022, 12:57

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Originally Posted by hjohnson

It’s pretty clear they haven’t really differentiated between the different Lithium chemistries. What advice is given is pretty common sense. The only thing that I’m not really doing is the advance notice of disconnect. But then, nothing on my Lithium house bank is safety critical. Engine runs off the lead acid starting battery

The highlighted line is very dissapointing.
Seems it will always be a fail from an insurance standpoint if they can't assertively differentiate between good and bad.

**newhaul** · 02-07-2022, 13:10

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Originally Posted by CharlieJ

@newhaul #7711
From my post:

Clearly you have a comprehension issue.

Have things really changed since i retired?
They want you to be a member to acess any of their papers. None of which are binding in any way hence all the ambiguity in this draft.

No thank you I will just do the 5 or 6 customers I still feel like doing work for .
But for now crab season is upon me .

**s/v Jedi** · 02-07-2022, 13:20

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Originally Posted by CharlieJ

Curse the darkness. Light a candle. It is up to you.

For me trying to explain in a courteous, professional manner and receive insulting comments in return, not worth the fight. I yield to your technical superiority and arrogance.

I disagree with you; you feel insulted. That’s not how it works

You dig this hole for yourself every time ABYC comes up, like if it is a child of yours. If you can’t handle me disagreeing with you then maybe don’t post your opinion on a discussion forum, especially not with statements like “should will become shall” for a pos like that paper.

Also, if they want a professional opinion, or professional input on the subject, they can hire professionals to provide it.

CharlieJ · 02-07-2022, 13:36

For all of you postulating that E-13 should have been only limited to LFP, Torqeedo, a company with thousands of lithium based batteries in the wild, uses NMC technology. To specify LFP only would have left their installations with not even the minimal coverage given by TE-13/E-13.

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Also, if they want a professional opinion, or professional input on the subject, they can hire professionals to provide it.

For your information, some of professionals involved either as members or active participants (back to that candle/darkness thing) are the former chief engineer of Blue Sea Systems, Nigel Calder, Steve D'Antonio, RC Collins, and Bruce Schwab.

BTW, hundreds of comments were submitted during the review cycle of both documents. Each comment was discussed and adjudicated.

goboatingnow · 02-07-2022, 13:50

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Originally Posted by CharlieJ

For all of you postulating that E-13 should have been only limited to LFP, Torqeedo, a company with thousands of lithium based batteries in the wild, uses NMC technology. To specify LFP only would have left their installations with not even the minimal coverage given by TE-13/E-13.

For your information, some of professionals involved either as members or active participants (back to that candle/darkness thing) are the former chief engineer of Blue Sea Systems, Nigel Calder, Steve D'Antonio, RC Collins, and Bruce Schwab.

BTW, hundreds of comments were submitted during the review cycle of both documents. Each comment was discussed and adjudicated.

How is this relevant E13 doesn’t apply to outboards.

wholybee · 02-07-2022, 13:57

Industry professionals are going to follow this document. Insurance companies will insure unsafe boats, and people will die. Enough said.

CharlieJ · 02-07-2022, 14:07

@goboatingnow #7717

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How is this relevant E13 doesn’t apply to outboards.

Your statement is incorrect. It covers lithium batteries with a capacity >600W. There is no mention of outboards in the document.

**newhaul** · 02-07-2022, 17:52

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Originally Posted by CharlieJ

@goboatingnow #7717

Your statement is incorrect. It covers lithium batteries with a capacity >600W. There is no mention of outboards in the document.

Exactly outboard are not mentioned because the document does not ( as I read it ) apply to portable equipment. I am sure it does not apply to the 100ah briefcase (lfp) unit I have for my electric trolling motor .

goboatingnow · 03-07-2022, 00:28

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Originally Posted by newhaul

Exactly outboard are not mentioned because the document does not ( as I read it ) apply to portable equipment. I am sure it does not apply to the 100ah briefcase (lfp) unit I have for my electric trolling motor .

Yes it’s pretty clear what it intends to be applied to. And as SCOTUS shows we shouldn’t read things into documents that aren’t really there.

Ballsnall · 03-07-2022, 00:49

Isn't this a thread "for Those Using Them as House Banks"
Great but of sparing but people are here to learn about LFP which is the current and future promise land. Can we put our dicks away get back on topic.

Simi 60 · 03-07-2022, 03:05

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Originally Posted by Ballsnall

Isn't this a thread "for Those Using Them as House Banks"
Great but of sparing but people are here to learn about LFP which is the current and future promise land. Can we put our dicks away get back on topic.

If you really want to learn......

https://diysolarforum.com/