Climate Change - what to expect for cruising life

[gonesail]

Originally Posted by GordMay

Americans waste an unfathomable amount of food. In fact, according to a Guardian report*, roughly 50 percent of all produce in the United States is thrown away (some 60 million tons, or $160 billion) worth of produce annually, an amount constituting a third of all foodstuffs.

it seems like the merchants are saying: if you don't buy it .. you sure as hell won't be getting it for free. we will throw it away first. also a lot a vegetables get tossed in the field because they aren't the right shape or color.. but they are perfectly eatable.

the other day i asked my grocer what they do with the cooked pizzas at the end of day .. do you give them to the employees? no they go in the trash

[gonesail]

Originally Posted by Chotu

More and stronger hurricanes.

that is debatable. many of the strongest and most destructive storms are in the distant past .. like camille .. carla .. andrew .. gilbert .. the keys hurricane .. galveston .. hugo. many more before records were kept. we have had a few storms lately but why would you say there are more and stronger storms due to climate change? i don't agree at all

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by franksingleton

Can you give me peer reviewed papers in reputable publications? I cannot take seriously someone who quotes Watts.

Re: CO2 from plant stoma:

See ➥ https://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/~peter...yer%202001.pdf
Or ➥ https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...34666794901236

But also (Rebuttal) ➥ Early Holocene Atmospheric CO2 Concentrations | Science

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by gonesail

it seems like the merchants are saying: if you don't buy it .. you sure as hell won't be getting it for free. we will throw it away first. also a lot a vegetables get tossed in the field because they aren't the right shape or color.. but they are perfectly eatable.

the other day i asked my grocer what they do with the cooked pizzas at the end of day .. do you give them to the employees? no they go in the trash

in my area they do it right. The old / unsellable vegetables and fruits
As well as the near pull date items are donated to the local food banks.
Now the vegetables and fruits that are not used there by humans become feed for livestock.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Chotu

I find it odd that this subject is a political debate.

Yes the Earth is hotter than it has been in recent times (fact) and maybe we're to blame.

Also, maybe we're not, as it's also been much cooler before as well as much hotter. It's not a constant temperature by any means.

So wasn't the OPs question regarding what changes can be expected on boats relatively to the recent warming? That's not political.

More and stronger hurricanes, more sailing grounds and longer sailing seasons toward the poles. Also toxic algae blooms and more and more jellyfish and less and less living coral.

That's about it.

actually on the average we are seeing fewer strong storms .
The reason they keep saying they are more constructive is purely financial .
If you just look at the actual storms and not the buildings that were built in those areas the storms are not more destructive.

[Reefmagnet]

Originally Posted by Chotu

I find it odd that this subject is a political debate.

Yes the Earth is hotter than it has been in recent times (fact) and maybe we're to blame.

Also, maybe we're not, as it's also been much cooler before as well as much hotter. It's not a constant temperature by any means.

So wasn't the OPs question regarding what changes can be expected on boats relatively to the recent warming? That's not political.

More and stronger hurricanes, more sailing grounds and longer sailing seasons toward the poles. Also toxic algae blooms and more and more jellyfish and less and less living coral.

That's about it.

Originally Posted by gonesail

that is debatable. many of the strongest and most destructive storms are in the distant past .. like camille .. carla .. andrew .. gilbert .. the keys hurricane .. galveston .. hugo. many more before records were kept. we have had a few storms lately but why would you say there are more and stronger storms due to climate change? i don't agree at all

Algal blooms are caused by excessive nutrient runoff from the land. This can be accentuated by stagnant water resulting from drought, but it should be noted that droughts have not been proven to have increased in quantity or intensity due to current climatic conditions, despite many alarmist reports to the contrary.



Jellyfish plagues are also attributable to over fishing. I'd actually opine this is the major cause.



I'd also dispute that coral will suffer. Read this snippet (emphasis is mine):

The Great Barrier Reef is an extremely ancient, enormous host of living things, composed of living coral growing on dead coral dating back perhaps as much as twenty million years. Many generations of dead coral have built themselves into great walls of stone covered in a diverse range of living organisms such as coral, algae, anemones, sponges, fish, worms, starfish, turtles, molluscs, snakes, crustaceans, and an extraordinary array of thousands of species of plants and animals.
Although there is no direct physical evidence, first human contact with the reef must’ve occurred for some time. We know that Aboriginal people occupied great parts of the Australian continent for around 40,000 years. Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples have fished and hunted its waters and navigated between the islands of the reef region.
For large parts of that time, during periods of glacial activity, the area of the Great Barrier Reef was dry with large flat coastal plains. This area is at a depth of less than one hundred metres below sea level today.

[franksingleton]

Originally Posted by newhaul

perhaps you Should look at theend peer reviewed publications that are linked in the various reports like I do .
Its not my job to do your work for you .

In other words you cannot quote reviewed papers

Another fact of the MMGWC attack the poster without verifying the data


Btw we are cooling as I have stated we would ..

Clearly a self delusionist.

We have been cooling since the end of the modern grand solar maximum.

Oh! See https://ds.data.jma.go.jp/tcc/tcc/pr...p/ann_wld.html

Well, if you cannot accept fact. End of story.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by franksingleton

In other words you cannot quote reviewed papers




Clearly a self delusionist.



Oh! See https://ds.data.jma.go.jp/tcc/tcc/pr...p/ann_wld.html

Well, if you cannot accept fact. End of story.

I have shown you all of the data that I am going to I have had this discussion to many times with delusional individuals
The facts speak for themselves
Sorry if you just can't see that .
The planet is cooling and its due to a significant decrease in solar activity ( which is only going to get more pronounced)
Btw your linked site backs up what I have been saying thank you .

The only difference is my prefered site the UAH ( where the jma gets their data ) says .27℃ instead of .3 ( consider that a rounding error ) they are the same. Which shows that we are in fact cooling just as I have stated.
The jma says 2018 was the 4th warmest since 1891
The UAH says 6th warmest since 1979
The facts are we are now cooling ( for how long I don't know but would guess at least the next 3 years before any moderation. )
More likely for much longer than that.
https://ds.data.jma.go.jp/tcc/tcc/pr...p/ann_wld.html
Your linked site .3℃ above baseline

Roy Spencer, PhD
My site from which yours gets its data
Says .27℃ above
And 2018 being the 6th warmest

[gonesail]

Originally Posted by newhaul

in my area they do it right. The old / unsellable vegetables and fruits As well as the near pull date items are donated to the local food banks. Now the vegetables and fruits that are not used there by humans become feed for livestock.

i'll have to check with my local food bank. maybe they are getting some things from the grocery stores.

[Gene Neill]

Originally Posted by myocean

Strange way of thinking but the only possible way if you want to blame others?
USA is at about 16.5 tons CO2 per capita
China at about 7.5 tons CO2 per capita

Poor USA has not the technology to do better?
Is this a recipe for losing the position of the world leader, technology leader and opinion leader.

You really just said the US should be more like China, when it comes to environmental stewardship??

That's a rhetorical question, of course; you DID just say that.

[SailOar]

The US continues to backslide as a world leader.

Germany Lays Out a Path to Quit Coal by 2038

BERLIN — Germany will spend tens of billions of dollars to end its use of coal power within two decades, if a plan agreed to early Saturday by representatives of the power industry, environmental movement, miners and local interest groups becomes official policy.

The deal, hammered out after more than 20 hours of intense, often fractious negotiating among a 28-member commission appointed last year by Chancellor Angela Merkel, would be one of the most significant energy transformations a nation has yet attempted in the face of climate change....

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/26/world/europe/germany-quit-coal-2038.html

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by gonesail

i'll have to check with my local food bank. maybe they are getting some things from the grocery stores.

if so great if not it might be worth suggesting to both entities. There would be definite advantages for the grocery stores in reduced garbage bills and possible deductions for donating .

[Group9]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

Don't be so quick; reactions here clearly indicate that the word still stings. Good. Also, given that most actual climate change deniers hold that position due to political, partisan anti-scientific influences, their position has a much more "religious" basis, so "heretic" is hardly appropriate as a substitution. In my experience, real agnostics don't invest much time bashing any position, so I'm not seeing many agnostics here, either.

Naw, “denier” just sounds too much like fifth grade schoolyard name calling. “Deplorable” kind of got turned around, so it’s no good either.

My daughter said that the worst thing she can remember being called in elementary school was “old lady”. You could try that.

[jimbunyard]

Oh Look!!!!!!!!!! Still Cooling!!!!!

Hope nobody feels 'Attacked'...

[Alan Mighty]

And the NW Pacific had an "above average" year in 2018 for tropical storms:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_P...typhoon_season