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20-02-2009, 22:54
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Geelong,Australia
Boat: Lagoon 440 Pathfinder
Posts: 845
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Lagoon 440 Performance ?
i am seriously considering a LAGOON 440 for cruising and was wanting to find out from owners just whatsort of performance they actually do have.Every where i read says they are heavy and therefore slow fro a cat,is this actually the case?????
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21-02-2009, 03:02
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Marine Service Provider

Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Amstelveen Netherlands
Boat: FastCat 445 Green Motion
Posts: 1,651
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Hallo Dirk , they are extremely slow , have a small weight to sail area ratio but are strong build and good cruisers if you have time on your hands.
Greetings
Gideon
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21-02-2009, 03:49
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Worcester U.K.
Boat: Privilege 435 Now Sold
Posts: 963
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Don't worry about the performance. When you are cruising, cruise!! I spend more time thinking about slowing my boat down than I do about trying to go faster and it is hardly a 'performance' boat.
One thing about the Lagoon 440 though... Do you really want to sit all the way up at that helm a howling gale and 20 ft seas? I wouldn't.
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21-02-2009, 04:20
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Geelong,Australia
Boat: Lagoon 440 Pathfinder
Posts: 845
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Well at the moment it's a choice of a 440 v's a catana 471 and both have plusses and minuses.which one to buy I don't know,maybe buy one if I am not happy then sell and buy the other!
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21-02-2009, 05:47
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2007
Location: On the boat, wherever she is
Boat: Broadblue 385, called Troutbridge
Posts: 145
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Sell and buy the other? You have more money than me, my friend 
I would have thought you are talking about two different animals here. Do you want a 'sporty' boat or do you want a lot of interior space and the profile of an apartment block?
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Cruising: Boat maintenance in different locations.
see the web diary: http:/blog.mailasail.com/troutbridge
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21-02-2009, 06:12
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Geelong,Australia
Boat: Lagoon 440 Pathfinder
Posts: 845
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I am new to this but I figure that we will spend a lot more time actually parked somewhere and enjoying the location and amenity of the boat than sailing point to point.myself I would go for performance anyday but with a fussy wife who looks at gloss over content and two daughters 5 and 13 we need to find the happy medium.it is so hard to sort out which way to go
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21-02-2009, 06:16
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Geelong,Australia
Boat: Lagoon 440 Pathfinder
Posts: 845
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On another front to this a catana dealer I have spoken to has told me it will cost $25k a year just to maintain a 471? This has to be more than the annual upkeep on a lagoon 440?
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21-02-2009, 09:33
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Senior Cruiser

Join Date: May 2008
Location: near Annapolis
Boat: PDQ 36 & Atlantic 42
Posts: 1,178
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Owners of all kinds of boats report spending 10 to 25% of the purchase price of a boat on annual expenses. Some of us don't even want to know what we spend. My budget has two categories: Boat and "non-essentials" like food and medicine.
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21-02-2009, 12:06
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Luxembourg
Boat: Spirited 380
Posts: 29
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Bruce numbers
Dirk,
SAD (Sail Area / Displacement) ratios or Bruce numbers give a pretty good idea of the relative performance of catamarans.
As an example I have attached the results of the last ARC. Bruce numbers are given for lightship weights. The two Lagoon 440 were not last, the 420 fleet was behind !
The Catana 471 has a Bruce number of around 1.33 so will be faster than a Lagoon 440. Latest Catanas (Poncin era) are far heavier.
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22-02-2009, 06:25
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Wenduine, Belgium
Boat: Hanse 371
Posts: 86
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I chartered a Lagoon 440 for 2 weeks last december.
Fully loaded ( 8 pers ) we managed respectable speeds ( max SOG : 12.3 knots )
Steering this big cat was like working out !!
Considering the grounds we were cruising ( Windward Islands ) it was perfect.
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22-02-2009, 13:11
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Registered User

Join Date: May 2005
Location: Cruising Greece
Boat: Cat in the med & Trawler in Florida
Posts: 2,307
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Tell me more details about" steering this big cat was like working out"
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22-02-2009, 13:32
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Wenduine, Belgium
Boat: Hanse 371
Posts: 86
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The steering was hard work. I don't know if this is typical for a catamaran's this size or for the Lagoon 440 in specific but it was something that felt peculiar.
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Koen
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22-02-2009, 13:57
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Geelong,Australia
Boat: Lagoon 440 Pathfinder
Posts: 845
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Thanks open,
At last I have some speed details on this boat,anything you really liked or disliked about it
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22-02-2009, 16:53
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Deale, Maryland
Boat: SeaView - Privilege 37
Posts: 1,024
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Wow! I would have thought steering would have been easy! No weather helm to speak of. I did have some bushings that had swollen up on me and made steering difficult, but once that was resolved, it was clear steering.
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22-02-2009, 17:36
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Registered User

Join Date: May 2005
Location: Cruising Greece
Boat: Cat in the med & Trawler in Florida
Posts: 2,307
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Scarab
I think maybe something could have been frozen up to make it steer hard , I had that happen to me after leaving the boat un used for 6 months then it worked it self back to being easy again, I can use 1 finger to steer normally
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