450: Bilge Alarms

[Krabimike]

I was wondering if anyone else bought a new boat from Lagoon and it didn't come stock with some sort of a high water bilge alarm?

My new Lagoon 450S didn't come with Alarms.

I was wondering what after market alarms might be suggested to be integrated with the pump and switch?

[a64pilot]

Maybe install a second pump, with the switch higher up in the bilge and connected to both the second pump and an alarm, pump should only run and alarm sound if water level is higher than first pump ever lets it get.
An alarm alone isn't as useful as an alarm with pump.
Anything can be an alarm, even a car horn, just pick something real loud

[Ulstue]

This is remarkable. In my 2015 L450 with Flybridge an automatic bilge pump with alarm is installed on each side ((you can also switch on manually on the flybridge) and an electric pump which can be switched on manually on the panel. And, of course, the manual pump).

The alarm can not be switched off.

[PaulinOz]

Originally Posted by Ulstue

This is remarkable. In my 2015 L450 with Flybridge an automatic bilge pump with alarm is installed on each side ((you can also switch on manually on the flybridge) and an electric pump which can be switched on manually on the panel. And, of course, the manual pump). The alarm can not be switched off.

My 2013 L450 has the same as Ulstue the only change I have made is a pair of Led's across the alarms on Fly Bridge so if it goes off I know to look port or starboard.

[LeeV]

Originally Posted by PaulinOz

My 2013 L450 has the same as Ulstue the only change I have made is a pair of Led's across the alarms on Fly Bridge so if it goes off I know to look port or starboard.

Did you use new switches or wire something to them?
Thx!

[jbinbi]

Originally Posted by Ulstue

This is remarkable. In my 2015 L450 with Flybridge an automatic bilge pump with alarm is installed on each side ((you can also switch on manually on the flybridge) and an electric pump which can be switched on manually on the panel. And, of course, the manual pump).

The alarm can not be switched off.

Same on my 380 (1 yr old). There is a 2 way rocker switch on the main electrical panel that turns on either port or stb pumps manually, but if you fill the bilge a bit, there is a float switch that should come on automatically, and alarm will come on as well.

Pretty sure this would be standard on all Lagoons?

My only issue is that afaik, it is not hardwired to the battery, you need to leave your switch on. I wish this wasn't the case.

[Pete7]

Originally Posted by a64pilot

An alarm alone isn't as useful as an alarm with pump. Anything can be an alarm, even a car horn, just pick something real loud

Agreed, we have a small auto bilge pump that pumps water into the cockpit well at wellington boot height. Hopefully even dozy crew late a night might react if they see water being pumped out on to their feet or into their boots.

Pete

[Krabimike]

Originally Posted by Krabimike

Everything is correct except on my 450S it does not have any type of alarm and I am being told by my dealer that lagoon has stopped putting on alarms

I stand corrected. Lagoon did not install on this model of lagoon per my dealer service department.

Originally Posted by Pete7

Agreed, we have a small auto bilge pump that pumps water into the cockpit well at wellington boot height. Hopefully even dozy crew late a night might react if they see water being pumped out on to their feet or into their boots.

Pete

[masonc]

I have a little battery powered alarm that will wake you if there is water up to the sensor position. Good for sleeping at anchor and single handed.

[Krabimike]

Everything is correct except on my 450S it does not have any type of alarm and I am being told by my dealer that lagoon has stopped putting on alarms

[PaulinOz]

So you have:

1 x Auto Electric Pump (NO ALARM)
1 x Manual switched Electric Pump
1 x Hand operated pump
Per Hull just no alarm on the the Auto Pump.

Do you have a switch at the helm to operate the Auto Electric pumps manually ? If so that is the easiest place to add a couple of 12 volt dc alarms across the Auto electric pumps.

[Krabimike]

Originally Posted by PaulinOz

So you have:

1 x Auto Electric Pump (NO ALARM)
1 x Manual switched Electric Pump
1 x Hand operated pump
Per Hull just no alarm on the the Auto Pump.

Do you have a switch at the helm to operate the Auto Electric pumps manually ? If so that is the easiest place to add a couple of 12 volt dc alarms across the Auto electric pumps.

At this point both of my float switches which are inside the pumps have failed one in each haul. I am asking the dealer to give me a price when they install the new pumps as to add to alarms with lights at the Helm. I am also looking at ultra saftey floats and alarms with a better pumps. But pretty expensive. But how much is it worth not to craw out of bed to take a piss and step on floating floor boards and lose my water maker pumps. Etc. Etc. Mine is a never ending unremarkable experience with my lagoon and the representation that was given me. But I do love my life on my boat.

[jbinbi]

Originally Posted by Krabimike

At this point both of my float switches which are inside the pumps have failed one in each haul. I am asking the dealer to give me a price when they install the new pumps as to add to alarms with lights at the Helm. I am also looking at ultra saftey floats and alarms with a better pumps. But pretty expensive. But how much is it worth not to craw out of bed to take a piss and step on floating floor boards and lose my water maker pumps. Etc. Etc. Mine is a never ending unremarkable experience with my lagoon and the representation that was given me. But I do love my life on my boat.

good chance the float switch is not broken, but rather stuck. The problem in the 380 is that they are down at the bottom of the 'keel' and almost impossible to get unless you have ape like arms. I keep a wire coat hanger that I use sort of as a snake to do things and used this to pull push the float.

Also, while on our first shakedown cruise, I went below cause I was hearing this beeping, which I realized was the bilge. Freaking out, I went looking and what was going on was leftover anti freeze was sloshing around in the bilge. Somehow the float got stuck in the on position even though the water at that point was pretty much out. We were in about 4' seas. I was able to push the float valve down after draining the bilge. So the factory location of the pump is right at the very bottom of the bilge.

Having a high water alarm would be good, afaik the alarm i have is just for when the bilge automatically goes on.

There is another thread going on right now about crash pumps in case of a need to really evacuate lots of water. It might be worthwhile to read that if you are going cruising.

There are a couple people on the lagoon threads who have great experience with Lagoon boats and are usually correct in their assessment of issues, Paul, Tim, and Scottster come to mind.

Finally, there is a lagoon forum on yahoo groups, which also has lots of good info, not as nearly as large as the general cruisersforum here, but larger than the specific lagoon forum here.

[Krabimike]

Originally Posted by jbinbi

good chance the float switch is not broken, but rather stuck. The problem in the 380 is that they are down at the bottom of the 'keel' and almost impossible to get unless you have ape like arms. I keep a wire coat hanger that I use sort of as a snake to do things and used this to pull push the float.

Also, while on our first shakedown cruise, I went below cause I was hearing this beeping, which I realized was the bilge. Freaking out, I went looking and what was going on was leftover anti freeze was sloshing around in the bilge. Somehow the float got stuck in the on position even though the water at that point was pretty much out. We were in about 4' seas. I was able to push the float valve down after draining the bilge. So the factory location of the pump is right at the very bottom of the bilge.

Having a high water alarm would be good, afaik the alarm i have is just for when the bilge automatically goes on.

There is another thread going on right now about crash pumps in case of a need to really evacuate lots of water. It might be worthwhile to read that if you are going cruising.

There are a couple people on the lagoon threads who have great experience with Lagoon boats and are usually correct in their assessment of issues, Paul, Tim, and Scottster come to mind.

Finally, there is a lagoon forum on yahoo groups, which also has lots of good info, not as nearly as large as the general cruisersforum here, but larger than the specific lagoon forum here.

I like my lagoon. Just frustrated as to why they have choose the 450S as to not install alarms. (especially now that I have had both float switches in my hauls fail) My dealer told me it was because of customer complaints. But I am not hearing that aboard. Yes you are correct all of Paul, Tim, Scott, and Steve on Emerald Sea have been very helpful and saved me many mistakes on my learning curve.
I also tried to log unto the yahoo lagoon site but have not had any luck getting logged on. I would be very interested to know if other new 450S or any other lagoon boats are being sold without bilge alarm and lights at the Helm showing the pump is activated.

[Emerald Sea]

Originally Posted by Krabimike

At this point both of my float switches which are inside the pumps have failed one in each haul. I am asking the dealer to give me a price when they install the new pumps as to add to alarms with lights at the Helm. I am also looking at ultra saftey floats and alarms with a better pumps. But pretty expensive. But how much is it worth not to craw out of bed to take a piss and step on floating floor boards and lose my water maker pumps. Etc. Etc. Mine is a never ending unremarkable experience with my lagoon and the representation that was given me. But I do love my life on my boat.

Hi Mike. Im a little alarmed (no pun here) that Lagoon haven't remained with the bilge alarms and have taken the rocker switches from the helm. If I don't hear my alarms go off occasionally, Im looking under the floor boards - its a reassuring sound! And employing a Rule pump with combined pump and integrated float switch - sounds like trouble in the making. As most things on owners boats, you will make your improvements, and deciding on UltraSafe float switches with alarms will provide you with a very reliable and safe solution, albeit a bit expensive. I installed these on our 450 after about 6 months of owning the boat and sleep just that much better for it.

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