monohull vs multihull observation

[Kenomac]

Originally Posted by 44'cruisingcat

Cat: ocean front apartment with a verandah, great views and ventilation everywhere.

Mono: a tent outside a cave.

Cave?

[daletournier]

Originally Posted by Kenomac

Cave?

Now Ken, your showing off..lol, I was about to attach a picture of my non cave like interior ,wont be doing that now after seeing yours [emoji2]

[belizesailor]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Owned both, cruised both, sail both for a living, like both for different reasons.

Ditto. [emoji106]

[FlyingScot]

Sailing characteristics can be good or bad on either type.
They make cats with exposed helms and monos with protected helms.

Cats have the better back porch. They also have more room for solar.

I'm in the light skinned category and shade is mandatory and I much prefer the cockpit with hard bimini. We also like jumping/diving off the bimini.

[daletournier]

Something modern cats are doing very well is the hard bikini (is it called that on a cat?).

Mono manufacturers can learn from this. Older cats often have biminis that look like after thought add on's, but they are now very pleasing to the eye, except for the Pope mobile tent up top

Makers like Amel are starting to get the hard top on monos looking good, I wish more would do it. Of course theres disadvantages regarding windage etc but for most cruisers the fors out weight the against, I'd like to design an aesthetically pleasing hard top for my boat, I just dont see them on monos.

The Bene sense 50 also seems to do it well, it's sort of a hard top.

[Pizzazz]

Originally Posted by barnakiel

I have sailed cats from beach cats to 54' cruising pigs.


I have sailed monos from Opti to Oy72 boats.


A cruising cat is a luxury car. A cruising mono is a mobile home that lists.


A racing cat is a sailing boat and a joy, and so is a racing mono.


If you are getting old, if you want stability, if you are rich, you get a cat.


If you are younger, like pissing everywhere but the toilet bowl, if you can't afford a cat, you get a mono.


Cruising cats are like cars, cruising monos are like motorbikes.


Sailing boats are like bikes, gliders, or terns. It takes a blind not to discern.



Cheers,
b.

Very well put. I would end the discussion right here. I do have the feeling though that 10 years from now most cruising will be done on a cat.

[Tillsbury]

They’re nice when the weather is grim, but I wouldn’t be without a bimini that can be completely removed. The one on my boat happens to be sized well — very good visibility for the admiral or for me seated through the spray hood, and another large clear above that (I just replaced it so totally scratchfree again) that is the perfect height for me standing. Some boats just don’t have this visibility due to unlucky or badly planned heights.

But I regularly unzip and flick back the bimini, which feels very like the open relief you get from dropping the top of a convertible. I would certainly miss that, and would never want a bimini that couldn’t be folded away. At least when the sun isn’t at its fiercest...

[Chotu]

Originally Posted by Kenomac

Cave?

Exactly what mine looks like inside. Just a little more vintage.

[sailorboy1]

Originally Posted by Midtownsails

Was wondering if that cut off feeling on a catamaran is a real thing with other people.

I think sailing is sailing and too many worry/wonder/debate what it means to other people and post about it on sailing forums to cause trouble that has no point really.

[Chotu]

Originally Posted by barnakiel

Guys, Girls:


But why are cats more expensive to build. They seem lighter and mostlu grp, while monos may be heavier and the heavy part is lead. Looking up lead prices online one discovers it is WAY MORE expensive than grp ...


So why are cats more expensive to build? The materials contained therein seem LESS expensive, pound for pound.


b.

Significantly larger hulls on the same LOA cat. Way WAY more materials. Two of everything, including engines, rudders, etc. Far more complicated steering.

The biggest cost in building a boat is the labor. So the bigger the hull, the way more labor involved.

[daletournier]

Modern production cats aren't that light, the Lagoon 450 is 33,200 lbs (15 000kg) , and I think carries 1,100 liters of diesel and alot if water.

[Matt Johnson]

Nice if you're standing, but you're not seeing much seated.

Matt

Originally Posted by Kenomac

Cave?

[alctel]

Originally Posted by Pizzazz

Very well put. I would end the discussion right here. I do have the feeling though that 10 years from now most cruising will be done on a cat.

I doubt it - you can get a pretty decent used ~30 foot mono for way under 20k and be good to go. I can't seem cat prices approaching that anytime soon

[daletournier]

Originally Posted by alctel

I doubt it - you can get a pretty decent used ~30 foot mono for way under 20k and be good to go. I can't seem cat prices approaching that anytime soon

I think this is a good point. The reason i went mono is I believe i could get more bang for my buck and I still believe this. For the money I paided for my 47 ft mono I couldnt get much in the way of cat, a tired old small cat maybe, maybe a Seawind 10? and imo for what I wanted to do the two cant be compared. Now of course some may disagree , and cat prices have come down abit since then BUT I still believe I would have to pay at least 100k more than my boats worth to get the equivalent or better in a cat.

[44'cruisingcat]

Originally Posted by Kenomac

Cave?

Lights on in the daytime?