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**atoll** · 10-02-2011, 13:05

in defense of gord may,iv'e allways found him very objective and informative and un biased,also thank him for his valuable imput,and his ability to put things in perspective..

zoombats · 10-02-2011, 14:10

Ok.Atoll but it seems to me that reading this entire post, you were the person who has defended Hans Klaar as you have been the only member that had a personal relationship with him. Everyone else is merely adding opinion based on nothing. In my short use of this forum I merely state the obvious, that there are a handful of reoccurring contributors that seem to provide nothing more than a need to see there words in print. Having said that and understanding the ire that I might have raised I guess its time to move on to a cruiser sailors forum that meets my needs. Is there one?

**boatman61** · 10-02-2011, 14:24

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Originally Posted by zoombats

Ok.Atoll but it seems to me that reading this entire post, you were the person who has defended Hans Klaar as you have been the only member that had a personal relationship with him. Everyone else is merely adding opinion based on nothing. In my short use of this forum I merely state the obvious, that there are a handful of reoccurring contributors that seem to provide nothing more than a need to see there words in print. Having said that and understanding the ire that I might have raised I guess its time to move on to a cruiser sailors forum that meets my needs. Is there one?

Tell us your needs and we may be able to help.... but of all the one's I've tried this is the only one I've considered sticking with... I'm a member of 4 others but rarely go there because they're to dry and dull...
There's nowhere in this world you'll find things just as you want except maybe in front of a mirror..
Stick around awhile... you may be surprised...

P.S; Its called conversation

**atoll** · 10-02-2011, 14:26

zoombats,as vast as this world is,so is the bredth of experince and knowledge on this forum.

the internet makes the world a very small place,it's only once you have sailed around it a few times you actually realise how small it actually is............

welcome and if it's knowledge you seek,you will find it.

zoombats · 10-02-2011, 14:42

Look, I merely made a comment about someone mentioning credentials as meaning something. I furthered my mistake in noting that the frequency of posts seems odd. maybe I'm wrong and if I have upset someone then I apologise. I have made no comments on Hans Klaas, nor do I plan too. I didn't know the man but I am fairly impressed by his sailing exploits. But not knowing him as I am sure neither do the majority of posters on this forum, I would not speculate. It is my point that, "conversation" aside, it has little to do with cruising and sailing.

**boatman61** · 10-02-2011, 14:52

Hey... no worries, and no ones offended, upset whatever... but you'd be surprised how these seemingly mindless blather sessions turn out the odd bits of gold from time to time.... its just a case of sorting the wheat from the chaff...
Welcome to CF...

**GordMay** · 10-02-2011, 15:07

The author of post #34 expressed the opinion* that Dr. MARTINIQUE STILWELL’s master’s in Creative Writing said everything that needed to be said about her. I suggested that her Medical Doctorate might be just as revealing.
You’re correct, that neither degree is definitive. I would suggest that an MD does suggest much more than just an ability to read.
I do think you were wrong, and I was generally (not personally) offended. Factual & obvious logical errors always offend me. Perhaps I'm too easily offended.

What seems odd about my frequency of posts, to you?
Personally, I've always thought 44 (as opposed to, say 16,911) to be an extremely odd number.

* “MA in Creative Writing? Kinda says it all don't you think? “

Wand · 10-02-2011, 15:50

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I tend to be of like mind with those 2 US Air Marshalls who arrested a paasenger aboard a flight to Brazil last year and were detained by Brazillian authorities for assault upon the plane landing. *They lied, and rand out the back door and high tailed it to the airport and used their badges to get on the first flight out. *They didn't stick around and "Obey the Law" and chance the Brazillian Judicial process. *I think they did the smart thing. *And these were two "LawMen" absconding. *They clearly understood the reality of the situation and removed themselves from harms way for fear of unfair treatment and finding themselves in great peril.

So, two law enforcement officers unlawfully evade the justice process and you support that?! I'd bet you'd have a different view if the offence had been against you or your property. Having disrespect and derision for the legal and administrative structures of other (inferior?) countries is not a very propitious or mature outlook for a cruiser imho.

David_Old_Jersey · 10-02-2011, 16:02

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Originally Posted by zoombats

Everyone else is merely adding opinion based on nothing. In my short use of this forum I merely state the obvious, that there are a handful of reoccurring contributors that seem to provide nothing more than a need to see there words in print. Having said that and understanding the ire that I might have raised I guess its time to move on to a cruiser sailors forum that meets my needs. Is there one?

Mr Pot,

I think you are confusing an Internet Forum with a Library.

Regards

Mr Kettle.

Aussiesuede · 10-02-2011, 18:32

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Originally Posted by At sea

So, two law enforcement officers unlawfully evade the justice process and you support that?! I'd bet you'd have a different view if the offence had been against you or your property. Having disrespect and derision for the legal and administrative structures of other (inferior?) countries is not a very propitious or mature outlook for a cruiser imho.

Be it the law, or any other area of life, I fully support individuals utilising the full breadth of their cognitive abilities to take measure of the actual situation they are confronted with, then making decisions which will best care for their well being. In the case referenced, these TWO law enforcement officers utilised the first hand intel available to them and smartly drew the conclusion that their life, or limb, could be in great peril if they allowed themselves to be admitted to a jail in that country AND under those circumstances. Some would simply succumb and let the chips fall where they may. These two officers, instead, chose to be the first line of defense for their own well being. Ultimately, that is the responsibility for each free man. I'll never belittle the man who chooses to follow the rules of another simply so he can revel in his obedience. I'm simply not, as were these officers, a man who celebrates simple blind obedience as a positive character trait.

**boatman61** · 10-02-2011, 19:17

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Originally Posted by Aussiesuede

Be it the law, or any other area of life, I fully support individuals utilising the full breadth of their cognitive abilities to take measure of the actual situation they are confronted with, then making decisions which will best care for their well being. In the case referenced, these TWO law enforcement officers utilised the first hand intel available to them and smartly drew the conclusion that their life, or limb, could be in great peril if they allowed themselves to be admitted to a jail in that country AND under those circumstances. Some would simply succumb and let the chips fall where they may. These two officers, instead, chose to be the first line of defense for their own well being. Ultimately, that is the responsibility for each free man. I'll never belittle the man who chooses to follow the rules of another simply so he can revel in his obedience. I'm simply not, as were these officers, a man who celebrates simple blind obedience as a positive character trait.

Another useful thing is to be aware of which countries have extradition treaties with the country you've offended in... then avoid them... or keep an extremely low profile and don't do something stupid to piss them off.. like illegal entry...
Fortunately for the Air Marshalls.... Brazil does not have such a treaty with the US... or the UK come to that... else Ronnie Biggs would not have lasted as long as he did....
For those not aware he was a member of 'The Great Train Robbery' back in 1963.
A damn nice bloke actually

limmer · 10-02-2011, 20:17

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Originally Posted by Palarran

I don't wish it, nor do I think most would. It doesn't take grapefruits either. I would be more inclined to emulate someone who held an honest job, stayed true to their wife, raised their children, provided them a proper education, saved some money, and retired comfortably. Someone like my dad.

LOL boring