Simon, apologies for the late reply I am back in Croatia doing comp crew and Day Skipper with my wife, I did alot of research for the boats I was looking at in Italy and there seemed to be alot there between 10-20k, This was the first boat I looked at in Croatia and its in pristine condition, I low balled 20k and they accepted, but, I think he had to sell, I had cash in hand and he just walked off the boat with car keys in hand in tears, I felt sorry for him but I think it is definatly a buyers market, dont list to the brokers they just want the bucks, also try and hang onto the marina for at least a yesr because they are expensive and good places are hard to find.... hope this helps Dave