Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 28-08-2016, 03:10   #1
Registered User

Join Date: May 2015
Location: U.K.
Boat: Dufour 40
Posts: 27
Zeppelin bend - dissimilar sized ropes?

I have to say that this is a new knot to me but I have been experimenting and it seems to ideal for joining two similar sized ropes - quick, simple, secure and non-jamming.
With other, older, knots e.g. sheet bend, carrick bend, there are variants where a second turn is made in the smaller rope. Does this work with the Zeppelin bend? I can't think that it wouldn't but would hate to discover it didn't when using it on a long shore mooring.
__________________

__________________
Lionelsole is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-08-2016, 04:17   #2
Senior Cruiser
 
StuM's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Port Moresby,Papua New Guinea
Boat: FP Belize Maestro 43
Posts: 5,033
Re: Zeppelin bend - dissimilar sized ropes?

Welcome to the Zeppelin Appreciation Club!

The Zep works well as-is in dissimilar sized ropes as well.

You can create a "double tucked zeppelin bend" by doing a second tuck with both ends. I've heard of it being use to tie fishing lines, but I've never needed it. ( My main outhaul consists of a couple of loops of single braid dyneema tied with an ordinary zeppelin and it has shown no sign of slippage to date).


If the two ropes are very dissimilar, you can also do what is sometimes called a "Zeppelin 1.5".. i.e. double tuck the thinner rope only.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Zeppelin with thin end double-tucked.jpg
Views:	132
Size:	37.9 KB
ID:	130169  
__________________

__________________
StuM is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 28-08-2016, 04:30   #3
Senior Cruiser
 
StuM's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Port Moresby,Papua New Guinea
Boat: FP Belize Maestro 43
Posts: 5,033
Re: Zeppelin bend - dissimilar sized ropes?

For a more extreme example of the 1.5, see
The asymmetric Zeppelin Bend
__________________
StuM is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 28-08-2016, 05:23   #4
Moderator
 
Seaworthy Lass's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Oct 2008
Boat: Aluminium cutter rigged sloop
Posts: 11,776
Re: Zeppelin bend - dissimilar sized ropes?

Hi Lionelsole

I am another member of the Zeppelin Fan Club.
Stu introduced me to this bend a couple of years ago and I have been singing its praises since.

It is a brilliant bend and right up there with the Bowline as the most essential knot to know on board. If you need to tie two lines together there is nothing else that combine ALL the characteristics of being super strong, quick to tie, doesn't shake loose if load is variable, can be easily untied after even high load is applied, and needs no dressing.

This thread has lots of info about it, including methods of tying (ignore the bit in the middle about the inferior contender, the Alpine Butterfly Bend):

Zeppelin Bend - next best thing to sliced bread

These are the posts illustrating the variation when the lines being joined are of very different diameter. You need to go to the original posts to see the photos, as they haven't copied over (click on the blue arrow to the right of my username and it will take you there automatically):

Quote:
Originally Posted by Seaworthy Lass View Post

ZEPP VARIATION FOR LINES OF DIFFERENT DIAMETER

This is oh so easy, it doesn’t really need photos, but I will attach a few, so that it is crystal clear.

All you do is proceed as normal with the Zepp right up until the stage you give the knot a tug to dress it. Then simply tuck the thinner line into the loop again. Couldn’t be simpler .

Various reports from the International Guild of Knot Tyers forum suggest the ordinary version is OK if the lines are not too dissimilar. Numerous comments like this can be found about the ordinary version:
“It does far better with dissimilar ropes than the Sheet Bend, for example, which used to be often touted for being used with dissimilar ropes.”

Apparently the extra tuck works well even with vastly different diameters, even though it produces a very ugly looking knot.

As far as I can find, all this was first discussed in 2010.
No name has been decided on for this knot.
Lots of simple variations of the Zepp are possible, depending on whether you give one tail an extra tuck or both, or whether you double up the initial loop (like it is in a Double Bowline) for one line or both, or combinations of the above. Some people consider the word “Double” should be used for a second tuck of both lines, other consider it more appropriate for a double initial loop for both lines.

Of all the names thrown around, I think 'Asymmetric Zeppelin' is the easiest. Call it what you will, but use it with confidence .

Step 1:
Tie the Zeppelin normally up to the final tug:
__________________
Our custom built cutter rigged sloop is for sale:
48' Aluminium Bluewater Cruiser For Sale
PRICE SLASHED


"The cure for anything is salt water: sweat, tears or the sea." Isak Dinesen
Seaworthy Lass is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-08-2016, 08:14   #5
cruiser

Join Date: May 2010
Location: SF Bay Area; Former Annapolis and MA Liveaboard.
Boat: Looking and saving for my next...mid-atlantic coast
Posts: 6,198
Re: Zeppelin bend - dissimilar sized ropes?

NO! Don't listen to these folks!

WE, at the Alpine Butterfly Association (ABA) protest these false claims of benefit by demons. Do your research and you will see this is nothing but a media propaganda blitz, similar to CNN or FOX NEWS!!!

Come over to the ABA and you will see this is true, and an easier way to join lines quickly in the dark or with little sleep.

DO NOT BE FOOLED BY THIS EMOTIONAL RANTS! THEY WILL TAKE YOUR KNOT SOUL!!
__________________
SaltyMonkey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-08-2016, 09:16   #6
Moderator
 
Seaworthy Lass's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Oct 2008
Boat: Aluminium cutter rigged sloop
Posts: 11,776
Re: Zeppelin bend - dissimilar sized ropes?

Quote:
Originally Posted by SaltyMonkey View Post
NO! Don't listen to these folks!

WE, at the Alpine Butterfly Association (ABA) protest these false claims of benefit by demons. Do your research and you will see this is nothing but a media propaganda blitz, similar to CNN or FOX NEWS!!!

Come over to the ABA and you will see this is true, and an easier way to join lines quickly in the dark or with little sleep.

DO NOT BE FOOLED BY THIS EMOTIONAL RANTS! THEY WILL TAKE YOUR KNOT SOUL!!
The Alpine Butterfly Bend has more options when it comes to getting dressed than most lassies have shoes on board. Like any helpless infant, I admit it is very sweet when properly attired (although I still haven't quite worked out which one of its 6 outfits is actually best), but sadly it's unable to dress on its own and can annoyingly clamour for attention just when you are too busy to devote the time.

Zep is fuss free, and besides, the adult parties the Zeppelin Fan Club throws are MUCH more fun than ABA's meetings .

The Knot Mistress
__________________
Our custom built cutter rigged sloop is for sale:
48' Aluminium Bluewater Cruiser For Sale
PRICE SLASHED


"The cure for anything is salt water: sweat, tears or the sea." Isak Dinesen
Seaworthy Lass is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-08-2016, 09:44   #7
cruiser

Join Date: May 2010
Location: SF Bay Area; Former Annapolis and MA Liveaboard.
Boat: Looking and saving for my next...mid-atlantic coast
Posts: 6,198
Re: Zeppelin bend - dissimilar sized ropes?

The Knot Mistress is coy with her serpents tongue, first lauding then morphing into knots of her own making.

I can only trust you, the listener with your intelligence and good looks, will take heed and try the Alpine Butterfly for your own. You too will be convinced the informercials you see here posted and highly acclaimed by the Zeppelin crowd are suspect.

And if that doesnt convince, look closely to the name "Zeppelin Knot" which is really an anagram for "Kennel Zit Pop". Do you really want to pop the zits on old dogs such as the Zeppelin?
__________________
SaltyMonkey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-08-2016, 10:29   #8
Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 239
Re: Zeppelin bend - dissimilar sized ropes?

ABA all the way!

very similar to how I do it.. but I take number one over all 3, and then number 2 over, under and through all.
__________________
Privleoplag is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-08-2016, 10:32   #9
Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: League City Tx. / Glen Haven Co.
Boat: Cal T2 27', Macgregor Venture Cat 15
Posts: 29
Re: Zeppelin bend - dissimilar sized ropes?

I have to endorse the ZEP knot because it has my favorite number in it 69...
__________________
DocRox is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-08-2016, 10:40   #10
cruiser

Join Date: May 2010
Location: SF Bay Area; Former Annapolis and MA Liveaboard.
Boat: Looking and saving for my next...mid-atlantic coast
Posts: 6,198
Re: Zeppelin bend - dissimilar sized ropes?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Privleoplag View Post
ABA all the way!

very similar to how I do it.. but I take number one over all 3, and then number 2 over, under and through all.
I use the same technique as u. I wish he had shown how to do a bend with it.
__________________
SaltyMonkey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-08-2016, 11:04   #11
Registered User
 
twohapence's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Boat: Sardinia - Me: UK
Boat: Naval Force 3 - Piana 30
Posts: 77
Re: Zeppelin bend - dissimilar sized ropes?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionelsole View Post
I have to say that this is a new knot to me but I have been experimenting and it seems to ideal for joining two similar sized ropes - quick, simple, secure and non-jamming.
With other, older, knots e.g. sheet bend, carrick bend, there are variants where a second turn is made in the smaller rope. Does this work with the Zeppelin bend? I can't think that it wouldn't but would hate to discover it didn't when using it on a long shore mooring.
Why not use a sheet bend (or double sheet bend)? Quick, easy, and secure. I'm not defending the sheet bend - just curious as to why I might want to learn to tie the zepplin other than as a fun thing to do.
__________________
“He was going to live forever, or die in the attempt.”
Joseph Heller, Catch-22
twohapence is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-08-2016, 11:12   #12
cruiser

Join Date: May 2010
Location: SF Bay Area; Former Annapolis and MA Liveaboard.
Boat: Looking and saving for my next...mid-atlantic coast
Posts: 6,198
Re: Zeppelin bend - dissimilar sized ropes?

The sheet bend is not easy to either make or dress, and the strength is not at all great in testing.
__________________
SaltyMonkey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-08-2016, 11:15   #13
Registered User
 
twohapence's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Boat: Sardinia - Me: UK
Boat: Naval Force 3 - Piana 30
Posts: 77
Re: Zeppelin bend - dissimilar sized ropes?

Quote:
Originally Posted by SaltyMonkey View Post
The sheet bend is not easy to either make or dress, and the strength is not at all great in testing.
Not sure what you mean by dress but I find it one of the easiest knots to make.
__________________
“He was going to live forever, or die in the attempt.”
Joseph Heller, Catch-22
twohapence is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-08-2016, 11:16   #14
Moderator
 
Seaworthy Lass's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Oct 2008
Boat: Aluminium cutter rigged sloop
Posts: 11,776
Re: Zeppelin bend - dissimilar sized ropes?

Quote:
Originally Posted by DocRox View Post
I have to endorse the ZEP knot because it has my favorite number in it 69...
Says it all doesn't it!
Videos of fancy handwork are simply no match
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	image.jpeg
Views:	81
Size:	153.6 KB
ID:	130176  
__________________
Our custom built cutter rigged sloop is for sale:
48' Aluminium Bluewater Cruiser For Sale
PRICE SLASHED


"The cure for anything is salt water: sweat, tears or the sea." Isak Dinesen
Seaworthy Lass is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-08-2016, 11:20   #15
Registered User
 
twohapence's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Boat: Sardinia - Me: UK
Boat: Naval Force 3 - Piana 30
Posts: 77
Re: Zeppelin bend - dissimilar sized ropes?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Seaworthy Lass View Post
Says it all doesn't it!
Videos of fancy handwork are simply no match
Could it possibly be that you need an extended run ashore......??
__________________

__________________
“He was going to live forever, or die in the attempt.”
Joseph Heller, Catch-22
twohapence is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
rope, size

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Connecting Dissimilar Solar Panels Cruisin Cat Electrical: Batteries, Generators & Solar 3 28-08-2016 11:12
Carriage Bolt sleeve(?) for dissimilar metals(??) Ocean Girl Construction, Maintenance & Refit 21 11-11-2014 19:46
Zeppelin Bend - next best thing to sliced bread Seaworthy Lass Deck hardware: Rigging, Sails & Hoisting 215 08-08-2014 18:58
Mast Bend Alan Wheeler Construction, Maintenance & Refit 68 03-04-2006 18:09


Our Communities

Our communities encompass many different hobbies and interests, but each one is built on friendly, intelligent membership.

» More about our Communities

Automotive Communities

Our Automotive communities encompass many different makes and models. From U.S. domestics to European Saloons.

» More about our Automotive Communities

Marine Communities

Our Marine websites focus on Cruising and Sailing Vessels, including forums and the largest cruising Wiki project on the web today.

» More about our Marine Communities


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 19:14.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.