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Old 22-07-2014, 11:00   #1
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So, a survey:

What is the best knot to shorten a line temporarily, such as tidal changes, or springs or such knots?

The sheepshank is a bit loosey goosey…

What do you use or suggest?

Can you invent something new and improved?

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Old 22-07-2014, 11:11   #2
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Re: Best knot for shortening a line (temporarily)

Rolling hitch, onto itself?
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Re: Best knot for shortening a line (temporarily)

I've always used a sheep shank to shorten a line, with a some sail makers twine to keep it together.
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Why wouldn't you just uncleat it and take up the slack? Or let slack out
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Old 22-07-2014, 12:37   #5
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Re: Best knot for shortening a line (temporarily)

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Why wouldn't you just uncleat it and take up the slack? Or let slack out
Because there are 12 other lines on the cleat.
Because sometimes its not your boat
Because there are 12 other lines on the dock post
Because I'm lazy and in a hurry.
Because we're talking temporary.
Because its not always a line on a cleat or a boat line

because because because
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Re: Best knot for shortening a line (temporarily)

One way to make a sheepshank more secure is to use a clove hitch at each end rather than just one half hitch, and tighten up well.
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One way to make a sheepshank more secure is to use a clove hitch at each end rather than just one half hitch, and tighten up well.
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Re: Best knot for shortening a line (temporarily)

The best knot for shortening a line is the "nudo margarita" in spanish.
I'm sorry but don't know its name in english.
You can see it here:
Saber marinero, Nudo de Margarita
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Because there are 12 other lines on the cleat.
Because sometimes its not your boat
Because there are 12 other lines on the dock post
Because I'm lazy and in a hurry.
Because we're talking temporary.
Because its not always a line on a cleat or a boat line

because because because
Why would you have 12 lines on a cleat? Just kidding. I guess my two favorites are to have the line go around an object and back onto itself with a rolling hitch or to an Alpine butterfly. Depending on how slippery the line is and how often I'm going to adjust it
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Re: Best knot for shortening a line (temporarily)

Franciscan knot works pretty good for this. Fast to tie and undo. Not great for shortening really long lengths.
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Re: Best knot for shortening a line (temporarily)

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So, a survey:

What is the best knot to shorten a line temporarily, such as tidal changes, or springs or such knots?

The sheepshank is a bit loosey goosey…

What do you use or suggest?

Can you invent something new and improved?

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Excellent questions .

I often need to shorten the line on our anchor buoy while swimming and end up tying a disgusting looking combination of knots. I have been too lazy to explore the options .

After you posted a comment about the Sheepshank in the Zeppelin thread, I hunted a little and found a variant called the "Man-o'war sheepshank". Wikipedia says "The man-o'war sheepshank is a sheepshank knot with a Handcuff knot in the middle. This configuration with the half-hitches formed close to the central knot is used in rope rescue and is called a Fireman's chair knot."

This is the diagram that was shown. Anyone have any experience with this knot?
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Excellent questions .

I often need to shorten the line on our anchor buoy while swimming and end up tying a disgusting looking combination of knots. I have been too lazy to explore the options .

After you posted a comment about the Sheepshank in the Zeppelin thread, I hunted a little and found a variant called the "Man-o'war sheepshank". Wikipedia says "The man-o'war sheepshank is a sheepshank knot with a Handcuff knot in the middle. This configuration with the half-hitches formed close to the central knot is used in rope rescue and is called a Fireman's chair knot."

This is the diagram that was shown. Anyone have any experience with this knot?
Yes a man o war has just an extra loop in a sheepshank. Its a pretty knot. Still the outer half hitches are lousy goosy IMHO
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The best knot for shortening a line is the "nudo margarita" in spanish.
I'm sorry but don't know its name in english.
You can see it here:
Saber marinero, Nudo de Margarita
its a sheepshank

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Can't believe only two knots exist for this.
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Franciscan knot works pretty good for this. Fast to tie and undo. Not great for shortening really long lengths.
I am not familiar with this knot and can't find anything under this name that could be used for shortening.

Do you have a link? Or could you tie a Franciscan knot and photograph it?
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