Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 13-08-2008, 18:40   #1
Senior Cruiser
 
Vasco's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Toronto
Boat: CS36Merlin, "La Belle Aurore" Ben393 "Breathless"
Posts: 7,135
Lionfish Invasion

Saw quite a few of these last season in the Bahamas. Apparently going to see more next season.
TheStar.com | sciencetech | Venomous lionfish invades Caribbean waters
__________________

__________________
Rick I
Toronto in summer, Bahamas in winter.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/beneteau393/
Vasco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-08-2008, 18:46   #2
Senior Cruiser
 
starfish62's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Palm Beach, Florida
Boat: Gulfstar 44 Sloop
Posts: 647
Images: 4
The Florida Wildlife Commission has asked that all divers report sightings and suggested spearing them on sight. I was at Rose Island (Nassau) last summer and saw a very large one. The large aquarium at the Atlantis Resort has apparently had screen failures in the past that resulted in dumping their entire contents into the area.

The bad thing about the lionfish is that they lay up in the coral, and it's only a matter of time before someone reaching for a lobster comes out envenomated.
__________________

__________________
Starfish
starfish62 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-08-2008, 18:55   #3
Registered User

Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Kissimmee, FL
Boat: 42SS' Carver 'Bear Essentials II'
Posts: 31
Yeah, it's an invasive spieces that folks, without thinking, may have released from their home collections instead of desposing of them properly or they became established due to damage stemming from hurricanes that adversly impacted public aquariums. May be a combination of both, don't know.

Unfortunately, they have few natural predators in the wild, even in their home waters. The sting can kill most other fish, so obviously they are left alone. I read in a Nassau newspaper about a chef starting to serve the fish, and the reviewer raved about it, but I don't see a lot of fishermen looking to hook one for dinner!

I think the best approach would be to develop an effective way to kill them without touching the fish itself. If the Bahamian government were to authorize the use of spearguns against them (only), maybe we can stem the encroachment. But again, don't know how to shoot it without having to worry about removing the body without placing yourself in danger.

If anyone has any ideas, I'd be all for hearing about it! We have to start attacking these fish before they become so numerous that visits to the hospital become commonplace!

Thoughts?
__________________
Lee and Terry
Bear Essentials II
Carver 42SS
Dinner Key Marina
Bear Essentials is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-08-2008, 18:56   #4
CF Adviser
 
Pelagic's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Oct 2007
Boat: Van Helleman Schooner 65ft StarGazer
Posts: 6,882
Lionfish are beautiful to dive with, not aggressive and very photogenic. (lookÖdonít touch!)

I dive with them all the time in Asia and the Western Pacific where obviously there has developed a balance between them and their prey.

I guess things will change in the Caribbean as the predatory order gets re-arranged but I donít believe it will be catastrophic for other small reef species and a new balance will naturally occur.
__________________
Pelagic is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 13-08-2008, 21:25   #5
Registered User

Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: North Carolina
Boat: 44 footer
Posts: 923
They have been cited off the coast of North Carolina as well...

Lionfish Observed off North Carolina
__________________
Zach is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-08-2008, 02:06   #6
Moderator Emeritus
 
GordMay's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario - 48-29N x 89-20W
Boat: (Cruiser Living On Dirt)
Posts: 31,577
Images: 240
NOAA Lionfish Report:
Scuba divers and others can help with the NOAA research effort by reporting lionfish sightings to:
Paula Whitfield
NOAA Beaufort Laboratory
101 Pivers Island Rd
Beaufort, NC 28516 -9722
Voice: 252-728-8746
Fax: 252-728-8784
Email: Paula.Whitfield@noaa.gov

Please be prepared to provide coordinates of where the lionfish was found and at what depth. If possible, photographs or video should accompany the above information.

Bahamas Lionfish Sighting Report:
https://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?...bbOLntPA_3d_3d

See also:
The Lionfish Invasion!
NOAA National Ocean Service Education: Lionfish Discovery Story

Click on the links, to the right.
__________________
Gord May
"If you didn't have the time or money to do it right in the first place, when will you get the time/$ to fix it?"



GordMay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-08-2008, 05:50   #7
Eternal Member
 
imagine2frolic's Avatar

Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Las Brisas Panama AGAIN!
Boat: Simpson, Catamaran, 46ft. IMAGINE
Posts: 4,508
Images: 123
Swam with one Big Major in June. Didn't know what it was until we saw the posting at Staniel Cay.
__________________
imagine2frolic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-08-2008, 08:20   #8
Senior Cruiser
 
starfish62's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Palm Beach, Florida
Boat: Gulfstar 44 Sloop
Posts: 647
Images: 4
Apparently these guys are having some fun with it! Perhaps we should get them together with Paula Whitfield out of NOAA?

Lionfish Hunter: Eleuthera bags second largest lionfish in the Bahamas!
__________________
Starfish
starfish62 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-08-2008, 08:29   #9
Senior Cruiser
 
starfish62's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Palm Beach, Florida
Boat: Gulfstar 44 Sloop
Posts: 647
Images: 4
I just sent the above link to Paula Whitfield with NOAA, with credit to the CF board (aka GordMay, of course).
__________________
Starfish
starfish62 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-08-2008, 08:36   #10
Registered User
 
Fishspearit's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: FL
Posts: 576
I've heard that they are a decent eating fish. I plan to spear as many as possible next winter.

Spearfishermen have been trying to remove them from the East coast of Florida for a couple of years, and we seem to be falling behind the curve.

Quote:
I think the best approach would be to develop an effective way to kill them without touching the fish itself. If the Bahamian government were to authorize the use of spearguns against them (only), maybe we can stem the encroachment. But again, don't know how to shoot it without having to worry about removing the body without placing yourself in danger.
The Bahamians will never allow spearguns, and it's not necessary for these little buggers. With a Hawaiian sling it's real easy, just use your fin to push it off of the back of the spear. With a polespear, almost the same thing, use your big plastic fin to pin the fish while taking care of your tip to remove the fish, and wear heavy gloves while spearfishing.
__________________
www.LionfishHunting.com
Fishspearit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-08-2008, 11:56   #11
Senior Cruiser
 
Vasco's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Toronto
Boat: CS36Merlin, "La Belle Aurore" Ben393 "Breathless"
Posts: 7,135
How the heck do you clean them for eating? I guess they're still poisonous when they're dead. I have heard they can be eaten but I think I'll stick to less venomous fish even if they're more difficult to shoot. Those groupers in the Bahamas have generations of learning how to hide from us, it might be my imagination but they were a lot easier to shoot 20 years ago but then again, it might be me being twenty years older.
__________________
Rick I
Toronto in summer, Bahamas in winter.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/beneteau393/
Vasco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-08-2008, 12:00   #12
CF Adviser
Moderator Emeritus
 
Hud3's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Virginia
Boat: Island Packet 380, now sold
Posts: 8,929
Images: 49
I was curious about the effect of getting stung (envenomated) by one of these little beasties. Apparently the subjects of this study ran afoul of their pet Lionfish in their aquariums. Exerpt...

"Pterois(eg, lionfish, zebrafish, turkey fish, butterfly cod): In one series of 101 described cases of captive lionfish (genus Pterois) envenomations in the United States, 92% of patients experienced local pain, 60% experienced edema, and 13% experienced systemic symptoms. There were no fatalities. Wounds were graded with the use of a grading system, and 95% of the wounds were found to be grade I (erythema), 4% were found to be grade II (vesicle formation), and 1% were found to be grade III (tissue necrosis). Pain was relieved with hot-water immersion therapy in 97% of the patients, and 0% of the patients required antivenom administration. One patient required intravenous antibiotics, one hypotensive patient responded well to intravenous fluids, and 13% of patients had variable, less severe, systemic symptoms."

Source:
Scott A Gallagher, MD, FACEP, Chairman, Department of Emergency Medicine, Aspen Valley Hospital; Senior Clinical Instructor, Department of Surgery, School of Medicine, University of Colorado Health Sciences Center eMedicine - Lionfish and Stonefish : Article by Scott A Gallagher
__________________
Hud
Hud3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-08-2008, 12:56   #13
CF Adviser
 
Pelagic's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Oct 2007
Boat: Van Helleman Schooner 65ft StarGazer
Posts: 6,882
I never realised it was such a big concern on the east coast or that snapper would be their prey (maybe juveniles?)

Also I cannot remember anyone ever being stung by them when just diving, but of course they were not trying to catch or kill them.

Funny how when you see one over here diving it is a bonus!
__________________
Pelagic is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 16-08-2008, 20:15   #14
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 13
The info in this article is a few years old but still an interesting read in which the author finds a juvenile in Long Island Sound of all places.

Advanced Aquarist's Online Magazine - Feature Article: Atlantic Lionfish???
__________________
Gibbous is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-08-2008, 22:46   #15
Senior Cruiser
 
Minggat's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Hawaii, South Pacific bound
Boat: Islander 36
Posts: 1,220
Hud3

Diving in the Red Sea back in the late 70's, my dive guide told us, " we have 3 things here to watch out for. The first is Fire Choral,.... The seond is the Lionfish, if you get stung by one of those, come up. We will get you to the hospital. You will be sick for about 3 days. The third is the Stonefish. If you get stung by one of those, enjoy the rest of your dive. You ave about 20 minets left to live."

I saw lionfish in the marina in La Paz and didn't think anything about the possibility of them being an invasive species. Is that the case?
__________________

__________________
Minggat is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 17:12.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.