ALL IS LOST: The Movie

[Cap Erict3]

Originally Posted by letsgetsailing3

You've earned my vote for the best post in this thread. Thank you.

Seconded

[ReMetau]

I didn't particularly care for the film, but whether you liked it or not, it has generated 29 pages of discussions.

[SaltyMonkey]

Originally Posted by satdiver

I good friend that was a former Navy SEAL told me once 4 SEALs died parachuting into heavy seas off of Grenada which is a situation they train for on a regular basis.

hshit. I know teamers who were on URGENT FURY. That was not a normal go training condition. They pushed back from calm conditions to later but badass weather prevailed. But, they went anyway. Urgency demanded it.

[Snore]

Originally Posted by boatman61

A couple of friends here have watched the movie (non sailors) and are now convinced I'll die on this delivery..
Previously they were oh so envious of my life..

As a captive of Delta Airlines for 10+ hours (FCO-ATL) I decided to watch the movie and yes the character made a bunch of errors. I counted 6 or 7 .... But it is a movie!

I think Boatie's post captures what upsets so many on this forum, the series of errors made by the character makes things look worse.

[s/v Beth]

I sat down and watched the movie yesterday. My wife, who basically lives on the boat while I sail it, sat down next to me. She saw so many errors that in 5 minutes she got up and walked out on it. Now if someone who refuses to steer the boat in all but flat water can see the mistakes, what does that say about the film?

[Doodles]

Originally Posted by s/v Beth

I sat down and watched the movie yesterday. My wife, who basically lives on the boat while I sail it, sat down next to me. She saw so many errors that in 5 minutes she got up and walked out on it. Now if someone who refuses to steer the boat in all but flat water can see the mistakes, what does that say about the film?

I wondering why she walked out but you stayed?

[autumnbreeze27]

All I know is I was hanging upside down working on my bilge pumps last weekend and a few times felt like ALL WAS LOST.

[satdiver]

Originally Posted by SaltyMonkey

hshit. I know teamers who were on URGENT FURY. That was not a normal go training condition. They pushed back from calm conditions to later but badass weather prevailed. But, they went anyway. Urgency demanded it.

My sister in laws father was one of those dead teamers. I know what happened, I know every squid that survived that mission because I was trained by two of them when I was was a USN EOD Diver eleven years later.

I'm no SEAL and I would not use this as an example if it was not relevant. Divers are trained to swim in those conditions. I have the manual I was given that was printed many years prior to Urgent Fury sitting 12 inches from my head now.

[Doodles]

Originally Posted by satdiver

My sister in laws father was one of those dead teamers. I know what happened, I know every squid that survived that mission because I was trained by two of them when I was was a USN EOD Diver eleven years later.

I'm no SEAL and I would not use this as an example if it was not relevant. Divers are trained to swim in those conditions. I have the manual I was given that was printed many years prior to Urgent Fury sitting 12 inches from my head now.

I'm sure this argument is relevant to the movie but I'm struggling to connect the dots. How about one of you helping me out.

[satdiver]

Originally Posted by Doodles

I'm sure this argument is relevant to the movie but I'm struggling to connect the dots. How about one of you helping me out.

The reason I posted to begin with was because I was annoyed over people posting the woulda shoulda coulda about the movie. So I decided to give a perspective from having actually scuttled a boat at sea. Since having been someone unlucky enough to have to jump into a life raft once. I actually found the movie quiet believable.

I was making several comparisons in a post to what it's like to bail off a sinking vessel. I used comparisons to show knowledge and know how don't always guarantee your actual reaction. I was responding to a posters comment who decided to say he knew people in one of those comparisons.

Originally Posted by satdiver

I've done a lot of solo sailing myself,. And while your thoughts and observations are absolutely valid and smart they are slightly unfounded.

What about a ditch bag? why did he fall asleep with his life raft tied to the sinking boat? Cushion to plug a hole.?

I've never sank a boat far offshore but I once was on a boat that sank 10 miles outside the Beaufort NC inlet and we could not tack weld a steel plate to the above the water line hole because every time a wave hit it blew the 3-1/4in steel sheet back into the engine room. I was a trained underwater welder and long time saturation diver at the time so experiance was on my side and I still could not beat the sea with many hands helping me.

I did not think once to put my survival suit on in winter because I was on a sinking boat and at that was my job at the time. Forget food, water or anything. A million things are going through your mind because you know you're dead somewhere deep down. We all ended up surviving out of luck. One of the guys jumped into the life raft jump feet first and went straight through the bottom of her. And all I could think was oh **** we are sinking with dead fish on the boat.

Calling for help on a sinking boat is about the last thing that occurs in your mind because mostly your in disbelief it's happing. And calling for help feels like you're giving up and signing your own death certificate because givin the right conditions you know you won't be found. I remember yelling grab the EPIRB more than 20 times and we landed in the raft without it.

He represents IMHO the majority of people in that situation. Look at the Captain of the Bounty for example and the testimonies, It was not the first Hurricane he took that boat through and look at the amount of poor decisions he made and probably made in all storms before where they came out lucky.

I like how they directed the Movie. The woulda, shoulda, coulda is the same way people would evaluate you're situation if god forbid you ever had to face that.

While I never had to abandon ship 100's of miles at sea I can tell you after doing it no matter what training you have and ideas you have it's way different in real life. When I was in sat school I had to complete a helicopter crash escape course and two of my classmates that took the course with me died in a actual at sea helo ditching at a low altitude which is exactly what we were trained for.

The mind is a funny thing and you don't know what you'll do until you actually face that situation. Everyday I sail I still roll over that memory of woulda shoulda coulda in my past and I know in the end we were all just lucky. That's how it all happens most of the time when you're in a rescue situation.

I even used to picture how I'd get in a lift basket in heavy seas and was trained to do it. Every time a roller with a white cape hit me I was another 60 yards away. Opps I forgot to duck dive because I was actually struggling for my life this time. I was a former Navy Salvage and EOD diver. I've had actually been plucked by basket several times in my career.

I good friend that was a former Navy SEAL told me once 4 SEALs died parachuting into heavy seas off of Grenada which is a situation they train for on a regular basis.

My point is you don't know what you'll do when in the real deal. His mistakes actually made the movie believable.

Originally Posted by SaltyMonkey

hshit. I know teamers who were on URGENT FURY. That was not a normal go training condition. They pushed back from calm conditions to later but badass weather prevailed. But, they went anyway. Urgency demanded it.

Originally Posted by satdiver

My sister in laws father was one of those dead teamers. I know what happened, I know every squid that survived that mission because I was trained by two of them when I was was a USN EOD Diver eleven years later.

I'm no SEAL and I would not use this as an example if it was not relevant. Divers are trained to swim in those conditions. I have the manual I was given that was printed many years prior to Urgent Fury sitting 12 inches from my head now.

[VirtualVagabond]

Originally Posted by satdiver

The reason I posted to begin with was because I was annoyed over people posting the woulda shoulda coulda about the movie. So I decided to give a perspective from having actually scuttled a boat at sea. Since having been someone unlucky enough to have to jump into a life raft once. I actually found the movie quiet believable.

I was making several comparisons in a post to what it's like to bail off a sinking vessel. I used comparisons to show knowledge and know how don't always guarantee your actual reaction. I was responding to a posters comment who decided to say he knew people in one of those comparisons.

You've made your points well and they have a ring of credibility backed by real experiences.
Beats hell out of armchair critics who think they know how they'd behave in those conditions.
Thanks for giving us the reality of that real life perspective.

We haven't seen the movie yet, but I'm sure that seeing it with your perspective in mind will add to our enjoyment.

Vic

[SaltyMonkey]

Originally Posted by satdiver

My sister in laws father was one of those dead teamers. I know what happened, I know every squid that survived that mission because I was trained by two of them when I was was a USN EOD Diver eleven years later.

I'm no SEAL and I would not use this as an example if it was not relevant. Divers are trained to swim in those conditions. I have the manual I was given that was printed many years prior to Urgent Fury sitting 12 inches from my head now.

This post has infuriated me by it's reckless flaunts, and I will not be silent or let it pass kindly.

I will re-state what I responded to your first private message - more or less.

I have a personal opinion and anger about what happened and the decisions under URGENT FURY, which I will not go into other than to say I also have connections. It will never waver or be displaced.

Regardless of how I feel, their world was their world, and any misjudgments or judgements were in history. They went and performed their duty. Though I will always be angry, I cannot criticize. I know this. I was not there.

I'm also angry that I got suckered into responding to the original post here. I should have remained silent than be incited to react in some public forum.

But let me be very clear to you:

I do not care one flying F. about who you say you know, who you say you trained with, who you say you are related to, or which collector item sit on your bookcase. I don't give a rats ass about who you are, your experience in the Navy, or anything you have to say related to team members.

You weren't there. Period. You have earned no right to compare. You are just as guilty of arm chairing as anyone else.

Anyone who flaunts and brags their relationships, bringing up pointless comparisons in a thread about a valueless Hollywood movie, marginalizes the ethos and "silent service" of those who perished and were there. Any unearned comparison can only bring attention on oneself. Maybe that was your real point. I don't know, but I will not let it pass. I will not.

We should respect the memory of those teamers and the duty they served by not associating their good names in cheap comparisons online. Anything wavering I call treason.

Regards

SaltyMonkey

[nimblemotors]

What looks like the point of the film... this man has lost everything and is simply sailing off into the sunset to end his woes. It is not a sailor training film.

[mottseng]

Look at the movie as entertainment value and just enjoy !!!! Too many critics here.

[Captaintim1]

I've heard references to All is Lost...Captain Ron...and Pirates of the Caribbean. They are all entertaining to those who don't sail. They can also motivate people to think about the sea and sailing. Years ago when I watched Captain Ron, I started dreaming about sailing and really looking into it and learning all I could. I must have watched it 20 times. Real or not... I'm sitting in the cabin of my sloop writing this...so all is not lost....