How to - Making a cockpit dining table

[ausnp84]

Great table! You've put a serious amount of work into it and it shows.

n

[Delancey]

Originally Posted by longboatman

White oak is infinitely more rot resistant than red and nowhere on this thread has anyone suggested otherwise! However, there has been very little cabinetry (in homes or on yachts) built with white oak for the simple reason that it is boring to look at. Red oak is no more of a "crap" wood than white oak and is generally comparable in price, depending on supply and demand, where you're located, time of year, availability of saw logs, etc etc etc...Delancey, if you were ever mistakenly invited aboard my boat you would have been escorted off after your first stupid comment! No room for rude, obnoxious, know it all blowhards! OP, on the other hand, is welcome aboard anytime!

You have no idea how unintelligent you just made yourself look, do you? You obviously are not a cabinet or furniture maker. Even Hunter used White Oak on their boats when they did oak interiors.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustav_Stickley
https://www.stickley.com

[Delancey]

Boring to look at? Hahaha!!!!

[Delancey]

Here's what they think of white oak over on the Wooden Boat forum-


Re: red oak vs white oak
Red oak has no business on your boat. WO can be found easily enough. The time spent looking for it and fetching it will seem less than minimal when compared to the aggravation of having to do it twice (or more if you throw dumb after stupid and use RO again).

Re: red oak vs white oak
Then there's that old saying, "Oak lasts for seven years or seventy." As mentioned, try the 'straw' trick, it's pretty cool. (Now if you just soaked the stuff in CPES.

Re: red oak vs white oak
Glad you solved the oak problem. Here on the Vineyard we build boats with white oak and put the red oak into the woodstove

Re: red oak vs white oak
I just removed my sampson posts that were red oak. 3 years ago when I bought the boat there was no rot but the wood was checked from sitting in the Arizona sun. I proceeded to soak the posts with CPES and install caps over the end grain. After that many coats of cetol were applied ie the wood was well sealed.
When I went to check the caulking around the bases last week the wood was rotten to a depth of about an inch.

Didn't take long to rot!

Re: Red Oak frames
I used some red oak on a sharpie I build at the old Sausalito Boatbuilders Co-op. It was garbage, if water got in at one spot it wicked the whole length of the board and got punky in a very short period of time. I put it on my "never again" list right next to luan plywood.

[longboatman]

You're absolutely right again Commander MacBrag!!! But just like comparing below the waterline, quarter sawn, white oak for use as hull planking with rotary cut red oak plywood for an interior dinette table, you've shown us photos of Mission style, quarter sawn, flame finished furniture as a comparison to plywood! The only comparison to be made here is whether or not white oak plywood is superior to red oak plywood in quality for an interior, sealed and finished table, and it's my contention that it is not! And as far as using Hunter as a benchmark of quality yacht construction??? I wouldn't be surprised to find the core material for that white oak cabinetry was MDF! And yes, I feel very unintelligent at the moment! Not because I'm an incompetent woodworker, but because I've expended far more effort than was warranted responding to an AH like you!

[carstenb]

Guys - let's please try to keep this conversation on a mature adult level. If it gets any hotter under the collar - I'll be forced to start moderating - which we don't want - do we?

Thanks for your co-operation

[Tayana42]

I'm not a moderator but I encourage all the good, knowledgable, intelligent people on this thread to take a deep breath, calm down and be respectful even as the express differences.


S/V B'Shert

[Spindrift NH]

A new base for my new head, the previous one rotted out after 33 years.
That's Red oak there!

[Mikado]

Originally Posted by Delancey

Do you routinely cut corners on the rest of your boat projects as well? Or was there something special about the table that made you not think it was worth buying quality materials for?

To be a prized table that has recieved hundreds of compliments it must really be something special. Do share some photos!

I almost feel like I have to apologize in advance of posting this photo. I had no idea that it was made with red oak, otherwise I would have never purchased the boat that it was attached to some 30 years ago. BTW, it has a lot of duct tape on the bottom to hold the rotted pieces together.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Wow! That is truly impressive work!

[Delancey]

Originally Posted by Mikado

I almost feel like I have to apologize in advance of posting this photo. I had no idea that it was made with red oak, otherwise I would have never purchased the boat that it was attached to some 30 years ago. BTW, it has a lot of duct tape on the bottom to hold the rotted pieces together.

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Nice. Powerboat. Sea Ray?

[Chrisgo]

Delancey,

I'm at a loss to understand why you are behaving this way.

Chris

[Delancey]

Originally Posted by Chrisgo

Delancey,

I'm at a loss to understand why you are behaving this way.

Chris

I am likewise at a loss to understand why grown adults would feel the need to resort to self-debasing behavior such as name calling and slander when someone doesn't agree with them.

The OP suggested I must not like red oak because I must have been raped by a piece of it when I was a child. Mikado called me an ass. Sock puppet marlin driver called me a big mouth. longboatman called me an AH, which I can only presume to be something that rhymes with grass pole.

Pretty sad that carstenb had to step in and basically tell these guys to grow up.

In questioning my behavior are you defending their's? Do you think these individuals are behaving appropriately?

[marlin driver]

I once had a neighbor with a fair amount of technical knowledge but social skills were a mystery to him. He never could figure out why people avoided him.

Not sure what made me think of that.

[Hobie_ind]

Nice looking table. Great job.

It's a bit disappointing to see where the thread went afterward though. Unfortunately I'm starting to see that many do believe that every post NEEDS to have a negative response somewhere. Makes me wonder how much longer I'll bother wasting bandwidth checking into CF when I get to port.....