HOW TO HAVE SEXY WINDOWS!? - Page 2

schoonerdog · 04-01-2007, 06:32

I'm not exactly sure which type is bleeding from the windows when it's washed right now. So, should I assume I would use the double sided tape as recommended in Sexy Windows for bonding the replacement lexan windows down and then use sikaflex 295 for trimming around the edges? Or do you think that the tape wouldn't be adequate for a window of this size? Basically tape would hold down the lexan window itself, and the overlaying frame, and then I would edge around the window with the black 295. I have leaking hatches too, so I would assume using the same technique? And mechanically carve the old ones out with a razor be the most effective way? Sorry for needing to get the details down, but the scope of this is incredible, lots of hatches, lots of windows.

GordMay · 04-01-2007, 07:24

Read Skia's instructions at:
Sika Corporation | USA

skipperaris · 17-01-2007, 01:43

I need to replace the four sexy windows round the saloon on my Gib'Sea 422. These are about 800mm x 400mm overall each and are stuck to a reccess of about 40 mm wide on the outside with Sikaflex to a thickness of about 3mm. My problem at the moment is how to remove them before I can fit new ones.

I have started with a sharp cutting knife scoring along the inside (The outside is inaccessible because of the reccess) and progress is painfully slow.

Is there a better way? After days of effort I seem to have hardly made any significant progress. HELP!

Here is a picture to explain

As you see there is a frame on the inside, also stuck with Sikaflex.

Whimsical · 17-01-2007, 03:58

Skipper
Cut the old window out with a jig saw as close to the window frame as possible without damaging it then use a dremmell type tool with a small grinding disk to cut the sika.
Mike

skipperaris · 17-01-2007, 05:35

Thank you Mike,

I did think of the dremmel but the 'big' grinding disk is only 15 mm in radius.
It would still leave me with 25 mm of sika to be dug out somehow.

Also I do not want to cut the old window because it is curved and I need to get it out in one piece for a mould to be made for the new one.

Aris

schoonerdog · 17-01-2007, 06:52

regarding the dremel, the recommendation to me (last night) is to dremel it out using the wire brush attachment, not the grinder.

schoonerdog · 17-01-2007, 06:56

one last recommendation from a person far more experienced than I is to heat up a putty knife and see if you can slip it in and break the bond that way.

Whimsical · 17-01-2007, 07:27

Skipper
How about getting an electric carving knife, the type with 2 blades that reciprocate. If it doesnt work as is use a fine grinder to reshape the teeth to have more hook. Did something similar years ago where i had to get down quite deep.
Mike

skipperaris · 17-01-2007, 08:09

Thank you for the input.

Heated knife seems to work. Disadvantages are :

1) it cools down fairly quickly

2) on reaheating over the cooking stove there is rather a stink of the sika burning.

I'm off to buy a carving knife now. But don't let that stop you thinking :-)

skipperaris · 18-01-2007, 11:39

In case you were all holding your breath:
I could not buy a carving knife yesterday because it was Wednesday and shops here in Greece are closed on Wed afternoon. You did not know that?

So I went and bought one today.

A formidable looking object with two different pairs of blades. The coarse toothed ones looked promising.
Snag no 1 : the body of the machine does not allow the blades to approach the sika groove.
Snag no 2 : the two blades together were too thick to fit in the groove anyway.

I fitted only one blade - on the wrong side - so that it could be made to get in the groove with a little flexing.

Ever hopeful I turned the machine on but NOTHING :

With light pressure the blade seemed to slide on the sika - not cut it.
More pressure and the blade anchored itself in the sika causing the machine to vibrate back and forth.

I packed the thing back in its box.

Anybody needing a 130 Watt 240 Volt carving knife? Mint condition!

GordMay · 18-01-2007, 13:07

In extremis, you might try a little cyclotrimethylene-trinitramine (C3H6N6O6).

Sunspot Baby · 18-01-2007, 13:47

We gave up on saving our old windows and bought new Lexan. The lexan was flexible enough to bend considerably to fit our curved deck house. We tried the cutting wire that glass shops use to remove windshields, a hack saw blade, heat gun, putty knife, prayer, cursing, you name it. Once I had the window out, a wood chisel made a great scraper to remove old adhesive. It cut it cleanly and got me close enough to bare material that I could then sand off the rest.

We have finished 2 of 8 windows. Slow project. Much more work than it appeared at first.

George

rtbates · 18-01-2007, 13:52

Or just buy a Cape Dory with their Spartan bronze and glass PORTS. Windows are for houses. Yep, I'm just a tad prejudice.\\

randy cape dory 25D seraph

skipperaris · 18-01-2007, 14:56

You seem to be a mine of infromation Gord.

Not wanting to pester you with very ignorant questions I have googled it.
this is what I found:
Safety (MSDS) data for cyclotrimethylenetrinitramine

cat man do · 18-01-2007, 16:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by skipperaris

You seem to be a mine of infromation Gord.

Not wanting to pester you with very ignorant questions I have googled it.
this is what I found:
Safety (MSDS) data for cyclotrimethylenetrinitramine

Unfortunately most thing's that work are.

The explosive bit would get the window's out fast

Dave

04-01-2007, 07:24	#17
GordMay CF Adviser Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario - 48-29N x 89-20W Boat: C.L.O.D. (Cruiser Living On Dirt) Posts: 13,561 Images: 233	Read Skia's instructions at: Sika Corporation \| USA __________________ Gord May ~~_/)_~~ (Gord & Maggie - s/v"Southbound") "If you didn't have time/$ to do it right in the first place, when will you get the time/$ to fix it?" Custom Search CF ➥ http://www.google.com/cse/home?cx=01...%3A2lb6ozabif0

17-01-2007, 01:43	#18
skipperaris Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Greece Boat: Gib'Sea, 422, 42 ft, Erato Posts: 157	removing sexy windows - HELP! I need to replace the four sexy windows round the saloon on my Gib'Sea 422. These are about 800mm x 400mm overall each and are stuck to a reccess of about 40 mm wide on the outside with Sikaflex to a thickness of about 3mm. My problem at the moment is how to remove them before I can fit new ones. I have started with a sharp cutting knife scoring along the inside (The outside is inaccessible because of the reccess) and progress is painfully slow. Is there a better way? After days of effort I seem to have hardly made any significant progress. HELP! Here is a picture to explain As you see there is a frame on the inside, also stuck with Sikaflex. __________________ skipperaris web site

17-01-2007, 05:35	#20
skipperaris Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Greece Boat: Gib'Sea, 422, 42 ft, Erato Posts: 157	Thank you Mike, I did think of the dremmel but the 'big' grinding disk is only 15 mm in radius. It would still leave me with 25 mm of sika to be dug out somehow. Also I do not want to cut the old window because it is curved and I need to get it out in one piece for a mould to be made for the new one. Aris __________________ skipperaris web site Last edited by skipperaris; 17-01-2007 at 05:46.

17-01-2007, 08:09	#24
skipperaris Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Greece Boat: Gib'Sea, 422, 42 ft, Erato Posts: 157	Thank you for the input. Heated knife seems to work. Disadvantages are : 1) it cools down fairly quickly 2) on reaheating over the cooking stove there is rather a stink of the sika burning. I'm off to buy a carving knife now. But don't let that stop you thinking :-) __________________ skipperaris web site

18-01-2007, 11:39	#25
skipperaris Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Greece Boat: Gib'Sea, 422, 42 ft, Erato Posts: 157	In case you were all holding your breath: I could not buy a carving knife yesterday because it was Wednesday and shops here in Greece are closed on Wed afternoon. You did not know that? So I went and bought one today. A formidable looking object with two different pairs of blades. The coarse toothed ones looked promising. Snag no 1 : the body of the machine does not allow the blades to approach the sika groove. Snag no 2 : the two blades together were too thick to fit in the groove anyway. I fitted only one blade - on the wrong side - so that it could be made to get in the groove with a little flexing. Ever hopeful I turned the machine on but NOTHING : With light pressure the blade seemed to slide on the sika - not cut it. More pressure and the blade anchored itself in the sika causing the machine to vibrate back and forth. I packed the thing back in its box. Anybody needing a 130 Watt 240 Volt carving knife? Mint condition! __________________ skipperaris web site Last edited by skipperaris; 18-01-2007 at 11:52.

04-01-2007, 06:32	#16
schoonerdog Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: annapolis Boat: st francis 44 mk II catamaran Posts: 977 Images: 4	I'm not exactly sure which type is bleeding from the windows when it's washed right now. So, should I assume I would use the double sided tape as recommended in Sexy Windows for bonding the replacement lexan windows down and then use sikaflex 295 for trimming around the edges? Or do you think that the tape wouldn't be adequate for a window of this size? Basically tape would hold down the lexan window itself, and the overlaying frame, and then I would edge around the window with the black 295. I have leaking hatches too, so I would assume using the same technique? And mechanically carve the old ones out with a razor be the most effective way? Sorry for needing to get the details down, but the scope of this is incredible, lots of hatches, lots of windows.

17-01-2007, 03:58	#19
Whimsical Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fremantle Australia Boat: Schioning 12.3 "Wilderness" Bi-Rig under construction Posts: 526	Skipper Cut the old window out with a jig saw as close to the window frame as possible without damaging it then use a dremmell type tool with a small grinding disk to cut the sika. Mike

17-01-2007, 06:52	#21
schoonerdog Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: annapolis Boat: st francis 44 mk II catamaran Posts: 977 Images: 4	regarding the dremel, the recommendation to me (last night) is to dremel it out using the wire brush attachment, not the grinder.

17-01-2007, 06:56	#22
schoonerdog Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: annapolis Boat: st francis 44 mk II catamaran Posts: 977 Images: 4	one last recommendation from a person far more experienced than I is to heat up a putty knife and see if you can slip it in and break the bond that way.

17-01-2007, 07:27	#23
Whimsical Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fremantle Australia Boat: Schioning 12.3 "Wilderness" Bi-Rig under construction Posts: 526	Skipper How about getting an electric carving knife, the type with 2 blades that reciprocate. If it doesnt work as is use a fine grinder to reshape the teeth to have more hook. Did something similar years ago where i had to get down quite deep. Mike

18-01-2007, 13:07	#26
GordMay CF Adviser Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario - 48-29N x 89-20W Boat: C.L.O.D. (Cruiser Living On Dirt) Posts: 13,561 Images: 233	In extremis, you might try a little cyclotrimethylene-trinitramine (C3H6N6O6). __________________ Gord May ~~_/)_~~ (Gord & Maggie - s/v"Southbound") "If you didn't have time/$ to do it right in the first place, when will you get the time/$ to fix it?" Custom Search CF ➥ http://www.google.com/cse/home?cx=01...%3A2lb6ozabif0

18-01-2007, 13:47	#27
Sunspot Baby Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: New Bern, NC Boat: Prout Manta 38' Catamaran - Sunspot Baby Posts: 1,263 Images: 14	We gave up on saving our old windows and bought new Lexan. The lexan was flexible enough to bend considerably to fit our curved deck house. We tried the cutting wire that glass shops use to remove windshields, a hack saw blade, heat gun, putty knife, prayer, cursing, you name it. Once I had the window out, a wood chisel made a great scraper to remove old adhesive. It cut it cleanly and got me close enough to bare material that I could then sand off the rest. We have finished 2 of 8 windows. Slow project. Much more work than it appeared at first. George __________________ She took my address and my name Put my credit to shame Sunspot Baby, sure had a real good time Bob Seger

18-01-2007, 13:52	#28
rtbates Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 648	go to Spartan.com Or just buy a Cape Dory with their Spartan bronze and glass PORTS. Windows are for houses. Yep, I'm just a tad prejudice.\\ randy cape dory 25D seraph __________________ Randy Cape Dory 25D Seraph

18-01-2007, 14:56	#29
skipperaris Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Greece Boat: Gib'Sea, 422, 42 ft, Erato Posts: 157	You seem to be a mine of infromation Gord. Not wanting to pester you with very ignorant questions I have googled it. this is what I found: Safety (MSDS) data for cyclotrimethylenetrinitramine __________________ skipperaris web site

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