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Old 05-10-2017, 08:02   #1
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Torqeedo Cruise 4.0 Electric Outboard

I am thinking off trying out an electric outboard on my Catamaran. I have been doing a bit off research and have come across the Torqeedo Cruise 4.0 and i am tempted to get one.
2 year warranty on the outboard and they recommended 2 x Power 26-104 batteries at 2000 each " a bit out my price range" or 4 12v 200ah agm "in my price range" around 200 each.

Has anybody got one or no someone that has?

Would like to know how they got on with it and how reliable they are etc....
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Re: Torqeedo Cruise 4.0 Electric Outboard

I made an enquiry to an Australian distributor, for 2x motor units, 2 x battery packs, and all ancilliary items to set it up, was quoted $16,000 AUD, batteries as above, or a better/longer hours with 95% discharge, batteries, at $20,000 AUD
A little bit pricey, at this stage.
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Re: Torqeedo Cruise 4.0 Electric Outboard

I'm about to go electric on my 32" Cat "FP Maldives.

What always seems hard hard to discover is the actual run time at say 6knots, which is what my Yamaha 9.9 easily does.

I'm looking at 4 x 200AH batteries.

Also like these engines.

https://www.karvin.eu/ and https://www.elcomotoryachts.com/ep-99-outboard.shtml
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Re: Torqeedo Cruise 4.0 Electric Outboard

I was thinking of two independent banks of 4 x 200ah one running the engine one charging.
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Re: Torqeedo Cruise 4.0 Electric Outboard

The Elco link is interesting. They've been making electric motors -- and electric boats -- for a long time...

I didn't see "HP" equivalent rating for that Torqeedo... but the cost of the Elco EP-14 (for example) and a decent set of eight 6V GCs might compare very favorably... if the boat can stand the battery weight.

Doesn't look like the Victron batteries Elco offers as accessories are deep cycle... specs on most only say 500 cycles to 50% DoD. Something like Trojan T-105s our Lifeline's AGM versions could offer more longevity...

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Re: Torqeedo Cruise 4.0 Electric Outboard

There is a new company I haven't seen before until the boat show this week called E-propulsion that is making a pretty good looking Torqeedo-like electric motor. They are cheaper and a little more robust looking. I have the Torqeedo travel 1003 and love it but would look at this company if in the market.

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There is a new company I haven't seen before until the boat show this week called E-propulsion that is making a pretty good looking Torqeedo-like electric motor. They are cheaper and a little more robust looking. I have the Torqeedo travel 1003 and love it but would look at this company if in the market.



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I just had a look at the Navy 6.0 and it looks good, similar in price to the Torqeedo.
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I made an enquiry to an Australian distributor, for 2x motor units, 2 x battery packs, and all ancilliary items to set it up, was quoted $16,000 AUD, batteries as above, or a better/longer hours with 95% discharge, batteries, at $20,000 AUD
A little bit pricey, at this stage.


There is no way I would go without the battery's they recommend also they only have a 2 year warranty. You can buy 4 12v 200ah for under 200 white a 4 year warranty.
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2 year warranty on the outboard and they recommended 2 x Power 26-104 batteries at 2000 each " a bit out my price range" or 4 12v 200ah agm "in my price range" around 200 each.

I just saw a link to a 48V 100-Ah Lithium system -- 4x12V batteries + BMS -- for about $2500. Google "Lithium 48V battery pack"; maker was "GBS" somebody or other...

Don't know if compatible with the Torqeedo system, but it might be worth checking with a 48V Elco electric outboard... if the boat can't take the weight of flooded or AGM lead-acid batteries.

If the AGMs at 200/each are decent batteries... perhaps flooded (e.g., T-105s) at 100/each are almost equally decent.... although with more servicing required... and if the boat can hold the weight...

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Re: Torqeedo Cruise 4.0 Electric Outboard

The Navy 6.0 looks very interesting . I particularly like the closed loop cooling system and good long shaft.
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Re: Torqeedo Cruise 4.0 Electric Outboard

Anybody knows whether the Torqeedo "big" outboards (4.0 and 10.0) can also be used for hydrogeneration ?
They mention the feature for their cruise pod versions (without any production data), but not for the outboards.
That would be for a small trimaran (like a dragonfly 28 or 32)
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Re: Torqeedo Cruise 4.0 Electric Outboard

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I am thinking off trying out an electric outboard on my Catamaran. I have been doing a bit off research and have come across the Torqeedo Cruise 4.0 and i am tempted to get one.
2 year warranty on the outboard and they recommended 2 x Power 26-104 batteries at 2000 each " a bit out my price range" or 4 12v 200ah agm "in my price range" around 200 each.

Has anybody got one or no someone that has?

Would like to know how they got on with it and how reliable they are etc....
Friends of ours had them on their cat. They had five motors replaced in six months. They switched to outboards.

Amazingly, after that, other people we knew fitted them. Last we saw them they claimed to be happy with them, but at that time one motor was off having a broken gearbox repaired. It broke from hitting a jellyfish.

$20,000 will buy you a pair of reliable outboards and about 10 years worth of fuel.

And jellyfish won't break them.
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Re: Torqeedo Cruise 4.0 Electric Outboard

Any info regarding the torqeedo big outboards and use as hydrogenerators ?
(I sent them a message and no replies yet)
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Any info regarding the torqeedo big outboards and use as hydrogenerators ?
(I sent them a message and no replies yet)
Until now this feature is not officially implemented in the Cruise 4.0 Outboard but just in the pod drive. However technically this is very well imaginable and Torqeedo is considering to officially qualify and offer this in future. Mechanical stress on the outboard leg is an issue regarding this.
But as far as I am informed, it works inofficially already now: Move the remote throttle just a little bit ahead and if the boat is moving sufficiently fast, hydrogeneration should start. Don't break it!

You might be interested in the new Torqeedo 48-5000 lithium battery. 48V/5kWh/36kg, using BMW i-series modules. Most importantly this battery will take a lot more cycles than many other lithium batteries. Up to 3500 cycles (100%) with a capacity loss of less than 20% can be expected from this heavy duty product at reasonable ambient temperatures. Price tag: 4999 EUR.

In general please be careful with low cost lithium batteries. Look for high quality cells, a very good, tested and qualified battery management system and a water resistant housing.
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