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Old 15-05-2013, 17:49   #196
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Re: What are the Slowest Cats?

ArtM,

if you ask a traditional Polynesian sailor, I'm sure he'll say your (Lagoon or Leopard) aren't catamarans either. Where are the vakas, akas, amas? What's all that heavy structure between the hulls? Why aren't they lashed together so the hulls can move independently? What kind of weird sail rig is that, nothing like a crabclaw? To the traditional Polynesian sailor, the only boats that would be recognizable would be the Wharram craft.

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Old 15-05-2013, 18:56   #197
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From Southport. We had to slow down for the second half of the trip, we were going to arrive at near low tide! Ended up putting the mainsail away altogether around Cape Byron.

Well done...sounds like a fun trip. What was the wind speed and current? We tend to be quicker southbound around Byron as well, but we're certainly not pressing the case for the L440 as a racer. That said, the ARC results continue to place the Lagoons very highly.

We are cruisers, not racers. So the critical test for us is over longer distances...and we agree completely with dennisail's remarks...

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The only real way to compare (cruising!) boats fairly is on long crossings...(and) preferably at the same time. As boats will be fully loaded and sailed in all conditions.

Remember, coastal cruising averages will be faster than ocean passages since they will be shorter with good forecasts and therefore its less likely you will have "slow" weather and wont be bobbing in no wind or battling headwinds.
Well said dennisail

For us cruising is about passing long distances safely and comfortably in open waters. So we say again that 5kn is good for passage planning (over ANY distance) and 6-7kn is great for actual speed over long distance. We enjoy the 8-10kn averages as much as anyone else when they happen -- We recall doing the ~220nm from Mooloolaba to 1770 in <24hrs with gale conditions approaching and around the top of Fraser Island...and ending up with a cacophony of bits (flying fish, squid, even a mutton bird!) on the foredeck at sunrise -- but those days we leave to the gods of winds and currents...and we make our plans without them.
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as well, but we're certainly not pressing the case for the L440 as a racer. That said, the ARC results continue to place the Lagoons very highly.
The ARC is a handicap event so the results say nothing about the performance of a boat.

What it should show is who sailed best compared to their handicap but of course that relies on the handicapper doing their job properly.
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The ARC is a handicap event so the results say nothing about the performance of a boat.
We stand corrected...and now better informed...

We should probably withdraw from this thread anyway as speed is not a priority on CatNirvana. We'll enjoy the quick passages when circumstances present themselves, but our long distance average of >6kn is just fine...and we know we can do that in safety and comfort. If some want to call CatNirvana a 'slow' cat, well we can live with that, but we'll keep telling her we think she's a great swimmer.

We wish everyone fair winds and following seas...whether you're always racing (even when it's only one nearby vessel!) or, like us, just cruising in comfort!
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The slowest cats are those stuck on the dock - just sail!!
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Re: What are the Slowest Cats?

The "condomarans".
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Ahhh the term 'condomaran' glad ours doesn't qualify as not many mono's under sail pass us........
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The ARC is a handicap event so the results say nothing about the performance of a boat.

What it should show is who sailed best compared to their handicap but of course that relies on the handicapper doing their job properly.
Looking at boats over the line i thought Rolf on 'Next Life' aquitted himself very well without referring to handicap results at all...
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Ahhh the term 'condomaran' glad ours doesn't qualify as not many mono's under sail pass us........
Frank, you probably are doing more motoring in the med judging from Col's website pics. Mostly glassed out.
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Nah today we left a bay at around 8am heading to explore Cassiopie area, wind was 8.5 and we reached with just main and genny at 5+knots.

Didn't put the new reacher up as we both weren't quite awake yet. Greece seems so far to have some nice breezes compared to the Adriatic.

We tend to opt for the 'Freddie Mercury' first rule of choosing destinations 'whichever way the wind blows'.

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The slowest cats are those stuck on the dock - just sail!!
Hear! Hear!

As for 'condomorans', look at waterline length and SOG averages over long distances and all the evidence we see confirms comfort cats (as in condomorans) are in there with everyone else for 'performance' cruising passage times.
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