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Old 13-08-2016, 06:34   #481
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Re: Reasons to stay "Monohull"

Hmmm......I see Wharrams and geminis for under 100k but that's about it, not that I have any problem with either of those makes. Your right I suppose it depends what your looking for. I agree in recent years cats have come down but if you take the above out of it and are looking for something in decent condition the best I see is something like a island spirit 37 or maxim 38 for approx 150k.

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Old 13-08-2016, 07:33   #482
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It's true there's more than before but if you're looking for turnkey equipped blue water cruiser under 100K there are probably 50 times as many monos. That is slowly changing though as more come on market


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No doubt about it, and it does seem as if the price on used catamarans is declining.


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Old 13-08-2016, 07:37   #483
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Re: Reasons to stay "Monohull"

The choices for cats under 100k are limited to lower quality/condition boats, or smaller boats.
Whether looking at monos or multis, you've got to look at the price of new equivalent boats to gauge condition. A boat priced at $600k new isn't going to come on the market under $100k unless there are issues needing remediation to put it in "good condition". Even if it's 20 years old, a well maintained ($600k new) boat in pristine condition that doesn't need a thing is still going to be over $100k.
Supply/demand is also a factor, and there is a stronger supply/demand ratio for multis so they are priced higher. The ultimate deciding factor to determine what a used boat is worth is what a buyer will pay at any given point in time and place; and that is of course different for each sale.
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Old 13-08-2016, 08:11   #484
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Re: Reasons to stay "Monohull"

Personally I can't think of a better reason than any cat worth cruising Newfoundland waters in won't fit in my travel lift.

Other than that I think personal preference of attributes is tough to argue with. I'm not fond of the movement of the catamaran in steep chop. For all it's great characteristics that one I'm particularly not willing to contend with.
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I believe we have people comparing a 37' cat to a 37' mono and no realizing, the 37' cat has the space and comfort of a 45' mono.

Not many 45' mono's in pristine turnkey condition for under $100k.
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Old 13-08-2016, 11:21   #486
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I believe we have people comparing a 37' cat to a 37' mono and no realizing, the 37' cat has the space and comfort of a 45' mono.

Not many 45' mono's in pristine turnkey condition for under $100k.
Nope, we have people comparing <$100k cat to <$100k mono.
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Nope, we have people comparing <$100k cat to <$100k mono.
Agreed and then they wonder why they can find a 37' mono but not a 37' cat not realizing, the 37' cat gives you the accommodations of a 45' mono.
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Agreed and then they wonder why they can find a 37' mono but not a 37' cat not realizing, the 37' cat gives you the accommodations of a 45' mono.
Of course they realise that. Remember most boat owners must live with a budget, so the point being there's not much of choice to pick up a cat in that price range. So quite valid reason to stay mono then.

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I believe we have people comparing a 37' cat to a 37' mono and no realizing, the 37' cat has the space and comfort of a 45' mono.

Not many 45' mono's in pristine turnkey condition for under $100k.

Comfort yes perhaps.

But space is quite a different story. Talk to any architect. Get some second opinions.

Cat space (unless it is a very modern cat and not a small one) is at least 50% in the coffins. One will find very many people disliking coffins.

So I am not sold on a 37 cat better / more space than a 45 mono.

Space is not just how much you have of it but also what shape it has (aka layout). Normal people do not live in tunnels. Many sailors would opt for a 45 mono even IF (a thing to be proven) there is more space on the smaller cat.

BTW This one is about the only cat where I could frankly say the space beats an equivalent and some bigger monos:

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But it is an ultra modern thinking and not a common thing in today's cruising cats.

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Comfort yes perhaps.

But space is quite a different story. Talk to any architect. Get some second opinions.

Cat space (unless it is a very modern cat and not a small one) is at least 50% in the coffins. One will find very many people disliking coffins.

So I am not sold on a 37 cat better / more space than a 45 mono.

Space is not just how much you have of it but also what shape it has (aka layout). Normal people do not live in tunnels. Many sailors would opt for a 45 mono even IF (a thing to be proven) there is more space on the smaller cat.

BTW This one is about the only cat where I could frankly say the space beats an equivalent and some bigger monos:

Interior - Xquisite Yachts

But it is an ultra modern thinking and not a common thing in today's cruising cats.

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To be fair Valhall360 didn't say the 37 cat had more or better space; they said the same space.
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Hmmm......I see Wharrams and geminis for under 100k but that's about it, not that I have any problem with either of those makes. Your right I suppose it depends what your looking for. I agree in recent years cats have come down but if you take the above out of it and are looking for something in decent condition the best I see is something like a island spirit 37 or maxim 38 for approx 150k.

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Yep, your right. Not cats for me but I acknowledge there are others that would be happy with them. I still dont see much for the money relative to what you can get monohull wise.

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1987!!!!!
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What can I say..??
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To be fair Valhall360 didn't say the 37 cat had more or better space; they said the same space.
I stand corrected.

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