Kitchen Layout ?

[SurferShane]

Back to the original question, where the beam of a boat allows I feel a U shaped kitchen ideal. Unless the boat is over 50’ or you are regularly planning on feeding a crew of more than 10 it is usually a single person who will be the designated ships cook at any one time. As a chef I feel these smaller U shaped kitchens are ideal as everything is in reach without have to move. It would also be a lot easier to control the movement of various items and even yourself at sea. I really wish a lot more land based kitchen designers would apply the same logic to commercial kitchens.

Now on a tangent what I want to know is why more cruising boat designers don’t put a head and shower which can double as a wet locker directly opposite the companionway entrance? This would really help keep the rest of the boat dry and livable.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Hiracer

Mmm. If this keeps up I think I might start supporting mandatory tests and driver licenses for boaters.

Damn... missed out on another freebie..... from a Racer too....
The bane of Solent/Poole ferries who have to operate in restricted waters... we had some video's of racing lately..
I too could be like that...

[hummingway]

I agree with you Hiracer (not on the bit about testing - seemed a little inflammatory to me) that unless you're hove to in a storm it shouldn't apply. In a storm maybe? And certainly if you are effecting repairs.

[Hiracer]

Originally Posted by hummingway

I agree with you Hiracer (not on the bit about testing - seemed a little inflammatory to me).

Yes, I was over the top on that. But it IS pretty basic. The definition states fairly plainly that it's not an elective status.

We have licenses required in our state (Washington State). I am exempt on account of age for a few more years, but I took the course and test with my son who was twelve at the time. He's legal to drive the boat, which makes me feel good. The scary part is that he also starts driving the car in less than a year and half.

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When I was young I caused a high speed collision between sailboards on the Columbia River. The other guy put his board clean through mine. Luckily neither of us were hurt. I went about learning the rules after that.

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The rule about restricted waters is a dicey one. We have container ships and oil tankers in our waters. Even though the channels might be several miles wide, with a few reefs thrown in here and there and currents that run up to three knots some of these babies have restricted manoeverability even in what many consider wide open spaces. And then they are so fast compared to normal sailboat speeds. Makes for interesting parsing of the rules. Of course being a Wuss, I just assume the worst and stay out of their way.

[Hiracer]

Originally Posted by SurferShane

Now on a tangent what I want to know is why more cruising boat designers don’t put a head and shower which can double as a wet locker directly opposite the companionway entrance? This would really help keep the rest of the boat dry and livable.

My first boat didn't have that but my current one does. It helps a lot, until you have to use the head and then you wish for a bigger boat with a segregated aft wet locker.

I have hanging storage in the head for the wet gear, but it gets moldy pretty easily in there, so I find myself storing it on hooks in the head.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by hummingway

I agree with you Hiracer (not on the bit about testing - seemed a little inflammatory to me) that unless you're hove to in a storm it shouldn't apply. In a storm maybe? And certainly if you are effecting repairs.

Or doing long distance solo passages and need some sleep...
As I stated I'll continue to elect for the 'Not under Command' lights and sleep soundly rather than worry if I'm on the right tack... it may speed me to a lee shore... definitly the wrong tack..
I'm taking measures to avoid collision..

[SurferShane]

Originally Posted by Hiracer

My first boat didn't have that but my current one does. It helps a lot, until you have to use the head and then you wish for a bigger boat with a segregated aft wet locker.

I have hanging storage in the head for the wet gear, but it gets moldy pretty easily in there, so I find myself storing it on hooks in the head.

Thanks - good info for if I ever upgrade!

[hummingway]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Or doing long distance solo passages and need some sleep...
As I stated I'll continue to elect for the 'Not under Command' lights and sleep soundly rather than worry if I'm on the right tack... it may speed me to a lee shore... definitly the wrong tack..
I'm taking measures to avoid collision..

I'm an agreable fellow. I'll go along with that too However if someone ran in to me I would have been down below working on the engine not sleeping

Anytime some guys coming fast and showing no sign of paying attention they also get the right of why in the hummngway book of regs. Perfect opportunity to act superior and mutter, "Damn fool doesn't know the first thing ..."

[Hiracer]

Originally Posted by SurferShane

Thanks - good info for if I ever upgrade!

If I ever got a bigger boat, which I have no aims for at this point, the living space would the same, but I would add space for a sail locker and a segregated wet locker.

Bigger wine locker too, maybe.

[boatman61]

Mine IS a wine locker.. why dya think I'm such an angry ole buga...
Opps solo soilor....

[Auspicious]

Originally Posted by SurferShane

Now on a tangent what I want to know is why more cruising boat designers don’t put a head and shower which can double as a wet locker directly opposite the companionway entrance? This would really help keep the rest of the boat dry and livable.

Definitely agree. One of the reasons I like my Frer's designed boat.

[zeehag]

power boats donot heave to --they drift.

[heyyou]

My Btristol 40 has a center line sink and a stbd galley. It is maybe the only U shaped galleys on B-40's a total one off factory custom Job. I'm very happy with it. Looks like the Bristol 38.8 galley but on the stbd side.

[David_Old_Jersey]

Originally Posted by Hiracer

Negative.

Rule 3
(f) The term "vessel not under command" means a vessel which through some exceptional circumstance is unable to maneuver as required by these Rules and is therefore unable to keep out of the way of another vessel.

Vessel not under command is most definitely not an elective status.

Is that to suggest Boatman's cooking is not exceptional?

Been a while since I read the Colregs. and no Licencing over here The two may be linked ..........but my take is that in Boatman's circumstances I would do the same (if I looked up what the not under command lights / signals were ) - if someone runs me down I expect it won't be because they didn't beleive my circumstances (or Lunch ) were exceptional enough to merit avoiding a collision.

Of course as a singlehander already open to challenge on keeping adequate lookout. and I guess that includes when cooking lunch, as well as when sleeping. But I would give more marks to heaving to (with lights / signals) than ploughing blindly on under sail - but me is not a High Court Judge, so that opinion doesn't matter

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by David_Old_Jersey

... opinion doesn't matter

A lot of words, but DOJ eventually gets to the crux of the matter.