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Old 22-01-2011, 05:47   #46
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Small? Two hundred years ago, that was the United States when it cleared out the Barbary pirates. The world powers then were cowed then too.
Barbary Wars surely had something to do with clearing out pirates. The military did their job.
But... it is always the but...

First Barbary War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Foggy Bottom agreed to pay ransoms for prisoners of war ! ! !
After the Navy and Marines threw enemies to their knees ! ! !
Was this the begenning of (censored), (censored), (censored) political correctness????????????
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Apparntly the Malaysians just scored a win against the pirates as well.
Reported by BBC News at BBC News - Malaysia navy foils ship hijack attempt, seizes pirates
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That may be a little bit true, but I wonder if it's more or less propoganda to justify a crime. Al Jazeera agrees with the idea.
Why is the other mans perspective always 'PROPOGANDA...'
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It is surprising how many excuses are made for Somalia and its pirates !!!

Somali pirates have been active in the North Indian Ocean as early as 1,200 AD. As far East as the West Coast of India - they used the present day Maldives as a base for two hundred years, from which to launch their attacks.

From the 13th century until the present day except for short periods in their history, Somalis have been PIRATES --- The reason has absolutely nothing to do with other people fishing off the coast of Africa.
Apart from a couple of countries the rest of Africa is also plagued by one form of internal strife or another.
This round of piracy does indeed have something to do with fishing of Somalia. Which isn't an excuse but those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it.

After a century of imperialist involvements and a disasterous civil war Somalia has been all but ungovernable in the last 20 years. Taking advantage of this foreign fishing fleets came into the rich near shore waters and destroyed the fish stocks. There was no gov't to stop them.

Many Somali's relied on fishing for their livelyhood and suddenly found themselves without where-with-all. The first ships taken were vessels illegally fishing in Somalia waters and were ransomed back to their owners for trivial sums. The Somali's quickly realized that significant sums would be paid and it escalated.

Those not make the good money found themselves in a dilema. Prices rose dramatically to reflect the new wealth so if you weren't involved in this activity you couldn't afford the basics. Somali pirates formed companies and by agreeing to support the pirates you were given a share in the ransoms so now entire villages were enjoy the benefits.

So it does have a lot to do with fishing just as it has a lot to do with the historical involvement of British, Italian and Soviet forces in a very strategically located nation over the last couple of centuries.

Since the civil war walkig the streets of Mogadishu is still a greater danger then being shot by North Koreans during an act of piracy.

The problem is not simple.
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This round of piracy does indeed have something to do with fishing of Somalia. Which isn't an excuse but those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it.

After a century of imperialist involvements and a disasterous civil war Somalia has been all but ungovernable in the last 20 years. Taking advantage of this foreign fishing fleets came into the rich near shore waters and destroyed the fish stocks. There was no gov't to stop them.

Many Somali's relied on fishing for their livelyhood and suddenly found themselves without where-with-all. The first ships taken were vessels illegally fishing in Somalia waters and were ransomed back to their owners for trivial sums. The Somali's quickly realized that significant sums would be paid and it escalated.

Those not make the good money found themselves in a dilema. Prices rose dramatically to reflect the new wealth so if you weren't involved in this activity you couldn't afford the basics. Somali pirates formed companies and by agreeing to support the pirates you were given a share in the ransoms so now entire villages were enjoy the benefits.

So it does have a lot to do with fishing just as it has a lot to do with the historical involvement of British, Italian and Soviet forces in a very strategically located nation over the last couple of centuries.

Since the civil war walkig the streets of Mogadishu is still a greater danger then being shot by North Koreans during an act of piracy.

The problem is not simple.
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Interesting how one's point of view is altered by reality. Dirt friends wonder why we don't have a pirate flag and wear an eye patch for 'fun'. Its all too serious and real. I'm also sure the CG doesn't see it as funny either. The thought of having to sail Adamans to south Africa to avoid the crimnals is not appealing.
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Interesting how one's point of view is altered by reality. Dirt friends wonder why we don't have a pirate flag and wear an eye patch for 'fun'. Its all too serious and real. I'm also sure the CG doesn't see it as funny either. The thought of having to sail Adamans to south Africa to avoid the crimnals is not appealing.
Maybe it takes a criminal to make criminals..... most turn to crime after they've been screwed into the ground by Corporations, Banks and Governments.....
Maybe more fingers should be pointed at the User's and Abuser's...... lets face it... if you've been well and truly screwed... are you going to be queasy about screwing someone else for a change....
Whats that oft repeated quote on here.... 'An Eye for an Eye....'
Or are we the only ones allowed to apply this rule....
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Why is the other mans perspective always 'PROPOGANDA...'
Too funny for words, but a great observation. This one is worthy of entry into "The Book of Quotable Quotes". A bit "curmudgeony" but no less astute for that. Thanks Boatman...
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The problem is not simple.
No one ever said the causes of the problem were simple, just the solution! If piracy on the seas is known to be a capital offense and one is caught in the act of piracy, then the punishment must be applied. The logic is inescapable. But if it's not an offense at all (and that's how most of the western world seems to be treating it by their behaviour), then give the pirates free rein and keep paying them off. Everything will continue as is. Happy with that result? I'm not.
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Who CARES about the cause of the problem. This is like saying every houseless person has the right to kidnap and/or kill others!

We're boaters, all we care about is the pirate problem!

If you are going to complain about the causes and social issues then join the Peace Corp or something like it and do something about it. Your moral beliefs one way or the other are meaningless, only your actions count!

Sorry for the rant.
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Who CARES about the cause of the problem. This is like saying every houseless person has the right to kidnap and/or kill others!

We're boaters, all we care about is the pirate problem!

If you are going to complain about the causes and social issues then join the Peace Corp or something like it and do something about it. Your moral beliefs one way or the other are meaningless, only your actions count!

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Who CARES about the cause of the problem. This is like saying every houseless person has the right to kidnap and/or kill others!

We're boaters, all we care about is the pirate problem!

If you are going to complain about the causes and social issues then join the Peace Corp or something like it and do something about it. Your moral beliefs one way or the other are meaningless, only your actions count!

Sorry for the rant.
If you have cancer you can take a pain killer and bob's your uncle. Of course you could cut out the tumour and cure the problem but "who cares about the cause of the problem". Sufficient unto the day I guess.
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If you have cancer you can take a pain killer and bob's your uncle. Of course you could cut out the tumour and cure the problem but "who cares about the cause of the problem". Sufficient unto the day I guess.

You have to be kidding! This is suppose to have anything to do with pirates?

Take a pill; would be like complaining about the problem asking others to "fix it" because I don't feel it's reasonable to attack the cancer back because things are just bad for it and it's acting out.

So yes if you have cancer (pirates) you cut it out!

PS - I don't really want to debate. I've read enough of these to know nothing ever becomes of them.
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You have to be kidding! This is suppose to have anything to do with pirates?

Take a pill; would be like complaining about the problem asking others to "fix it" because I don't feel it's reasonable to attack the cancer back because things are just bad for it and it's acting out.

So yes if you have cancer (pirates) you cut it out!

PS - I don't really want to debate. I've read enough of these to know nothing ever becomes of them.
It's an analogy Don. You asked who cares about the cause and I'm pointing at that if you want the problem to go away cure it. Killing a few pirates won't make it go away.
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