Naked sailing!

[Liunatic]

"Naked sea lions are really offensive, not to mention smelly. Noisy and lewd, pushing and shoving yelling at the top of their lungs....arguing over fish, arguing over mates or just indolently laying around bare naked. Its a disgrace! No matter what you say or do, they persist in their naked belligerence. Just try to get one to shave or wear a tie. "

Idora, I thought that was hilarious!!

As to the rest of this thread -

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by scoobert

i thought you were trying to say no guilt or shame at all.
quite disgusting, people having casual sex with anyone, something tells me the girls are not 18 or even 16 when they started having sex. many places there is still no guilt or shame with sex, and grown men sexually abuse children in public......
i would say guilt and shame and religion, are good for a nation, not bad.

This is a thread about simple nudity, ( i used that term for a reason). Its has nothing to do with sex or all the other hang-ups people have.

sex and religion have nothing to do with nudity.

dave

[scoobert]

Originally Posted by Alecadi

A very open mind....

some laws, are very true, and cannot be broken.
the law of non-contradiction is one that cannot be broken.
i can respect others rights to be wrong, but that does not make them right.

[scoobert]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

sex and religion have nothing to do with nudity.

dave

respectfully, yes, they do. they are inseparable.

[Doodles]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

This is a thread about simple nudity, ( i used that term for a reason). Its has nothing to do with sex or all the other hang-ups people have.

sex and religion have nothing to do with nudity.

dave

Then what are those fig leaves for?

[ShaktiGurl]

Originally Posted by scoobert

clothing covers sex organs. i am married, and do not wish to see naked women. i am still a man, and will feel lust. i look away now if i notice a woman wearing a skimpy two piece, or a girl wearing shorts with no inseam. no, breasts are not sex organs. i could go either way on the covering up part. should they have to? no. should they be modest about it? yes.

Then I would say the shame is not in my nudity but your inability to deal with your emotional reactions to it.

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by scoobert

no, i am autistic, and feel little to no empathy....

my wife works extensively with autism, have a read of this link Autism and Empathy
lets dispel that convenient mis truth.

dave

[goboatingnow]

clothing covers sex organs. i am married, and do not wish to see naked women. i am still a man, and will feel lust. i look away now if i notice a woman wearing a skimpy two piece, or a girl wearing shorts with no inseam. no, breasts are not sex organs. i could go either way on the covering up part. should they have to? no. should they be modest about it? y

I suggest a relocation to Saudi Arabia, where you ideals match exactly that of the locals.

dave

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by Doodles

Then what are those fig leaves for?

I havent seen many figs eaten in the med in general , so the leaves are not that common

dave

[scoobert]

Originally Posted by ShaktiGurl

Then I would say the shame is not in my nudity but your inability to deal with your emotional reactions to it.

your correct. some may possess a unique ability to not be aroused by the opposite sex, i however am a man, whom is attracted to women. i may also say if your naked, and waving your nudity in a mans face with more control then me, he may still be aroused. at what point/distance is it ok? it is ok on a plane? when i pass by your seat, naked, and my genitals are less then a foot from your face? or is 1000' from your boat far enough?
IMO if i need binoculars to see detail, your far enough away to be naked.
that is my comfort level, what right is it of yours to make someone uncomfortable?

[scoobert]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

my wife works extensively with autism, have a read of this link Autism and Empathy
lets dispel that convenient mis truth.

dave

not everyone fits in the same box, lets dispel that myth.

[goboatingnow]

Look this a nonsense argument, Ive sailed the med for years and spent months anchored in and round many bays . Nudity doesnt "abound" in that on public beaches you will see generally only toplessness. At anchor , occasionally you will see complete nude families etc , going about their business, in a quiet and self contained way.

To start putting some sexual overtone or this scene is both wrong and morally corrupt. Its attempts to drive the argument to extremes or to moralise from one own moral position which is not relevant.

To futher suggest as in one quote , that merely becuase they are naked, men are somehow associated with potential abuse is to further taint the argument in an attempt to moralise.

Reading the posts, virtually to a man and women , with one or two exceptions, people support , in places like the med, public nudiity, which is not uncommon particularly on boats,

dave

[scoobert]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

I suggest a relocation to Saudi Arabia, where you ideals match exactly that of the locals.

dave

i am of Jewish decent. they would spot it as quick as Hitler. it is true, many would not care, but enough do.

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by scoobert

your correct. some may possess a unique ability to not be aroused by the opposite sex, i however am a man, whom is attracted to women. i may also say if your naked, and waving your nudity in a mans face with more control then me, he may still be aroused. at what point/distance is it ok? it is ok on a plane? when i pass by your seat, naked, and my genitals are less then a foot from your face? or is 1000' from your boat far enough?
IMO if i need binoculars to see detail, your far enough away to be naked.
that is my comfort level, what right is it of yours to make someone uncomfortable?

Sorry Scoobert, this is an extraordinary dangerous argument, one that is used to justify sexual violence against women ( the "slut" argument). as the father of two daughters ( and I agree with another poster, who are more conservative then their parents)I take offsense at these remarks.

SO are you saying that sitting on a nude beach, a person walks buy ( often quite close) , its gives you a right to feel they are doing something wrong because you may be aroused.

Furthermore , merely becuase you sexualise a situation is not a requirement that others cover themselves.

YOU are the problem in that situation and therefore you should remove yourself from it.

stop the "reductio ab absurdum" arguments as well. No one is naked on an aircraft in public view.

Dave

[ShaktiGurl]

Originally Posted by scoobert

not everyone fits in the same box, lets dispel that myth.

And some use it as a convenient excuse for behavior. You set up ridiculous arguments. We are discussing people being able to be nude while in/on their own residence. "Waving my nudity"? What about just existing? On my own boat? The issue is still in your head, along with the shame. Turns out I can live with you feeling shame or arousal or whatever. Sounds like you would like to limit my freedom on my own residence because of your own self-made discomfort.