Mono vs. Multi - Sailing Ability

[Celestialsailor]

Originally Posted by Bash

And how well do those spreadsheets go to weather?

Seriously, you may want to consider backing away from the keyboard and getting a bit of tiller time. Trade the spreadsheets in for a couple of jib sheets and you may just discover the source of all that conventional wisdom you're rejecting.

Perfect!

[ArtM]

Originally Posted by Bash

And how well do those spreadsheets go to weather?

Seriously, you may want to consider backing away from the keyboard and getting a bit of tiller time. Trade the spreadsheets in for a couple of jib sheets and you may just discover the source of all that conventional wisdom you're rejecting.

I'm working on that, I only need to make a few hundred thousand more calculations and I'll be ready to hit it.

Conventional wisdom, however, I'm quite familiar with, and the sources are always the same - the main source being "convention", or "status quo" in the French. Perhaps that will be the name of my next French built catamaran - Status Quo

[tomfl]

Originally Posted by Bash

And how well do those spreadsheets go to weather?

Seriously, you may want to consider backing away from the keyboard and getting a bit of tiller time. Trade the spreadsheets in for a couple of jib sheets and you may just discover the source of all that conventional wisdom you're rejecting.

The C31 I am looking at goes to weather at a steady 55mph on cruise control behind my Sprinter van. Same for the Telstar T2 and the smaller Dragonfly tris. It is a one or two man job to raise and lower the mast on both the Telstar and Fboats, not so sure about the Dragonfly, but this is a a big OK in my book.

Tiller time in all of these boats often times means two fingers on the tiller going to windward, often times at double digit speeds.

[ArtM]

Originally Posted by ArtM

I'm working on that, I only need to make a few hundred thousand more calculations and I'll be ready to hit it.

Conventional wisdom, however, I'm quite familiar with, and the sources are always the same - the main source being "convention", or "status quo" in the French. Perhaps that will be the name of my next French built catamaran - Status Quo

Oh one more things, I've changed my mind about racing that keelboat. I'm planning a course around some of the islands in the Florida Keys. I'm convinced that my Lagoon will leave behind your keelboat as if it were "standing still".

[GeoPowers]

Originally Posted by Factor

Happy for him to clarify, currently I don't believe him. As for the only ever seen a multi when he was passing one, ahem, again - just don't believe him. The clear implication is that his Bendy 42 is faster than EVERY multihull out there. And faster than a lot of boats like Volvo 60s for that matter.

I try hard to stay out of these pointless discussions but when people tell outrageous porkies, well ya just gotta call em.

For the record, I will gladly trade my Bene for a FP, Leopard, Lagoon, (maybe even a Seawind!) for all those poor multihull folks that want increased performance. Just got a clean bottom and new folding prop, too! (My wife prefers the new Leopard 44 in case of multiple offers )

As for the rest of the thread...

Frank

[tomfl]

Originally Posted by s/v Jedi

Compression is what we call it; distortion is for Nikon shooters

cheers,
Nick.

As someone who owns an xti, d20, d40, d7, 1d2, 1d4 and just hitting the highlites mpe65, ts17, 16-35, 70-200, 100-400, and 500/ft I resent the slur on my camera choice.

Mike Rowland's Photos | Facebook

[tomfl]

Here is a video that has an interesting take on water sailing">blue water sailing. Kinda funky at the beginning and end, but at least for me the middle part was well worth watching; especially the part about light verses heavy boats.

Big cat sailing in a gale-Awesome waves, and sail control.avi - YouTube

[s/v Jedi]

Originally Posted by tomfl

As someone who owns an xti, d20, d40, d7, 1d2, 1d4 and just hitting the highlites mpe65, ts17, 16-35, 70-200, 100-400, and 500/ft I resent the slur on my camera choice.

Then you need to check again as that is all Canon gear, just like I have

p.s. here is the photography thread: http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...und-75643.html

cheers,
Nick.

[neilpride]

Originally Posted by s/v Jedi

Ah but that is a Dashew video... you're cheating, that doesn't count! those do 300+ nm days all the time which isn't possible !!

cheers,
Nick.

Who say a couple cant make 300 day in confort and style, all in one, peformance, strenght thx to the aluminium construction, and beauty....

Love the meal in the table without fall down!!!!

[s/v Jedi]

Originally Posted by neilpride

Who say a couple cant make 300 day in confort and style, all in one, peformance, strenght thx to the aluminium construction, and beauty....

Love the meal in the table without fall down!!!!

Exactly.. there's some CF members around with a bit smaller versions of same family:







We're hauling tomorrow and won't splash again until January, so see you all later!



ciao!
Nick.

[tomfl]

Originally Posted by s/v Jedi

Ah but that is a Dashew video... you're cheating, that doesn't count! those do 300+ nm days all the time which isn't possible !!

cheers,
Nick.

That boat was 78 feet long. A beautiful boat no doubt but a good 20 feet longer than the Catana video I linked to. While I am not sure about the price point of a 78 foot monohull like that I do know I ruled out the Catana because I was not ready to spend half a million dollars on a boat.

[s/v Jedi]

Originally Posted by tomfl

That boat was 78 feet long. A beautiful boat no doubt but a good 20 feet longer than the Catana video I linked to. While I am not sure about the price point of a 78 foot monohull like that I do know I ruled out the Catana because I was not ready to spend half a million dollars on a boat.

Like I wrote, there's smaller ones in the family; I have 64' but there is also 60' and 56' Sundeer's out there.


Nick.

[maytrix]

I didn't read all 11 pages, so forgive me if its been said (I think it probably has).

You can't compare sailing performance. Well.. you can, but its not the main difference between the two. The livable space is the big difference and a Cat is far superior in that area.

If you want a boat that points well, you want a deep draft mono. If you want a boat that has lots of livable space and can go into shallow waters, you want a Cat.

I've also seen statements that Cat's are faster (haven't really seen this first hand yet) and if they are, so what if you can't point as high. Trade some speed for pointing ability.. And if speed is really a concern, get a gunboat.

[ArtM]

Originally Posted by maytrix

I didn't read all 11 pages, so forgive me if its been said (I think it probably has).

You can't compare sailing performance. Well.. you can, but its not the main difference between the two. The livable space is the big difference and a Cat is far superior in that area.

You're not comparing monos and multis.

You're comparing low profile deep keel boats to high profile shallow keel boats.

Given similar livability and shallow draft features, the argument is that a multihull would sail with equal or better performance than the comparable monohull.

You've stated the conventional wisdom, but I'm arguing that it is incorrect. The fact that most mono are deep-keeled, and most multis are shallow-keeled is the source of the misunderstanding.

I contend that a deep-draft multihull would sail equally or better compared to a deep-draft monohull, assuming similar sail limits and top-deck design features (i.e. cabins, bimini's, pilothouses, etc)

[Bash]

Originally Posted by ArtM

Given similar livability and shallow draft features, the argument is that a multihull would sail with equal or better performance than the comparable monohull.

You're getting closer. If you want to argue that a beamy, shallow-draft monohull with excessive freeboard would sail as poorly as most cruising multihulls, I suspect that a great many sailors will let you win this argument.